Feb. 5, 2022

Jedi Lesson Plans: BOOK OF BOBA FETT Episode 6

The Junked Droids discuss episode 6 of THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT, "From the Desert a Stranger Comes"


The Junked Droids talk lesson plans, deep fakes, and Lee Van Cleef in their discussion of episode 6 of THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT, “From the Desert Comes a Stranger”

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Transcript

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JOSH
Welcome to another episode of Trash Compactor, where we're going to be talking about episode six of the Book of Boba Fett. My name is Josh and joining me today is James.

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JAMES
Hello,

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JOSH
Jon.

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JONNY
Hello,

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RUSS
Russ.

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JOSH
Howdy,

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JOSH
Mickey.

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MICKEY
Hey.

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JOSH
And Murray.

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MURRAY
Oh, hello.

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JOSH
And what I thought we'd do today, rather than start with overall thoughts, I think we all have a lot of opinions about this episode. I think a lot happened. There's a lot to talk about, and I want to start off by talking about all of the Mando Grogu who Luke Ahsoka stuff that happened first and then we'll

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JOSH
move on to the tattoo scene and Timothy Olyphant stuff. James, why don't you start us off with your thoughts on seeing Luke Skywalker and Mando.

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JOSH
And Grogu again?

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JAMES
Oh, like, can we just have a Luke Skywalker show at this point? I mean, we could do it right? I mean, this is like the dream Luke Skywalker that I've been waiting to see since I saw the Return of the Jedi and read the expanded universe that now it's been retconned, that this is the

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JAMES
Luke I wanted and always dreamed of seeing. And now I got to see them. I mean, because that obviously implies it did not like the way Luke was brought back into the universe in the sequels, but that's a whole other conversation.

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JOSH
But I'm I don't know that it is a whole other conversation, I think.

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JAMES
I mean.

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JONNY
I think they're connected.

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JAMES
Yeah, it was. I can see story wise why it's interesting to go that way, but to have this character, you followed from episode four to episode six and then we pick up with him being a sad, bitter Jedi who is disillusioned by the whole journey that we the whole process that he's been through at that point was

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JAMES
, to me, a little disappointing and not the way I would have liked to have seen the characters, especially as Russell said before. Like I read the expanded universe novels and the Dark Horse Comics and Luke, that's more of the Luke I was expecting.

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JAMES
Maybe we would pick up with. And it's not the Luke we got, and I can I can understand the merits of that storytelling. It just wasn't the Luke I wanted, so I don't discount whatever the storytellers vision was.

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JAMES
And but this is the Luke I wanted to see and to see and to get a snippet of all the things that we knew he could do. Like, we got to see him fight at the end of Mando season two, but now we get to see him being Master Jedi and teacher, and it was it fulfilled what

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JAMES
I wanted to see for so many years.

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JOSH
And to be fair, that whole sequence on I don't know the name of that planet, but the training sequence in particular with Luke and Grogu, who I thought all of that was some of the really the most beautiful Star Wars I've ever seen.

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JOSH
And it's interesting, too, because it's the exact inverse of the Luke and Yoda training on Degrassi, and it's bright and cheerful, and Luke is training the Yoda, right? Yeah.

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JAMES
And he talks about Yoda. He's like a master named Yoda.

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JONNY
Like, Yeah, he's also wearing the same backpack from the Empire Strikes Back.

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Speaker 5
Yes. Nerd, no.

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JAMES
And I'm I'm a Rebels Clone Wars person. So this episode, obviously like Dave Filoni, thread the needle so perfectly, but like to see Ahsoka and Luke and they talk about Anakin and talk about their experience with his father was like, movie.

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JAMES
That was an act.

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JONNY
Like, it's like, how can they not if they're in the same room, you know?

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Speaker 5
Yeah, right?

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JAMES
I mean, it means they must have had a talk at some point about Anakin.

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JOSH
But even for me who I mean, I've only seen the Clone Wars and Rebels intermittently, I haven't seen them all. But even for me, that was very moving, knowing the relationship Ahsoka had with Anakin. And also, for me, it just really ties up that whole relationship between Luke and his father, between Anakin and Luke that the movies

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JOSH
themselves never really do. Because, of course, you know the final scene in return to the Jedi. That's not Hayden Christiansen, so you don't have that connection that sort of like they're finally meeting and he's finally forgiving him. It's there in the text, but it's not there on screen.

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JOSH
But the only other thing, too, that I want to say about before we really get into it is the technology for Luke. Like Luke looked flawless 99% of the time.

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MURRAY
Yeah, like, yeah, he was really. Really good.

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JOSH
They look really, really good. And I do know that after Mando finale season two, there was a guy on YouTube who replaced the digital Luke that I Lem had done with a deep fake that he had created, and where the head and shoulders above what ILM had actually done for the show.

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JOSH
And I know that that ILM hired that guy.

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Speaker 5
Oh, wow, wow.

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JONNY
Now isn't that great?

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MURRAY
They should. They should recon that like how they keep adding like dancer. To the special edition. Of that.

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JONNY
He could just go back and fix it down. See why they wouldn't with all the special edition stuff. You're right. Totally.

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Speaker 5
I don't. Yeah, I don't what I want.

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JOSH
But Jon, your thoughts on that whole sequence?

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JONNY
I really enjoy that sequence for similar reasons of just like seeing the connection between Luke and Grogu, who also when Mando shows up, it's really heartfelt when he's really deciding on whether or not he should actually approach him or not.

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JONNY
And I found that stuff to be very captivating and to the point where, like you see the Nabu Starfighter fly away in the distance and Grogu. Raises his hand. I got kind of teary eyed, I was like, Oh, no, he loves him so much.

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Speaker 5
You might die. Yeah.

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JOSH
But so did I thought it was. Maybe just because I'm a father now, so maybe that was it. But I but hearing you, I guess it's not just me.

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JONNY
I think it's just universal. That said, though, there are some there's some nitpicky things I had about.

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JOSH
It laid on me.

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JONNY
OK, well, we're first of all, if you see the behind the scenes of how they made Luke in the end in the season finale of Mandalorian, you'll know that they use, I think, like artificial intelligence to make his voice like I thought he was dubbed over.

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JONNY
So it's a it's a it's tell. Well, it's a computer that made his voice heard that. And then in this episode, I think they did the same thing. And so all of his lying Dylan reads, Kind of sound weird.

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MURRAY
But you just cue cards.

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JONNY
And I think there's no reason why they couldn't just get another actor. Maybe even someone like Matt Mercer, who voices him in the video games to just do the voice over this A.I. created character anyway. So that's a net pick, a very tiny nit pickers.

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JONNY
I think they could update his look a little bit like we know it's Luke now, and they could just kind of do something different with them, you know? But, you know, whatever?

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JOSH
Well, that's interesting, because actually, if you look at the concept art that they have in the credits, he he was wearing something a little different than what he was wearing in the actual episode. So I think so. That was obviously a discussion because it's not what they went with.

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JOSH
So no.

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JONNY
They went with the same outfit that he had at the end of the finale of Russ. What's up?

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RUSS
Yeah, I mean, I do want to talk about Star Wars laundry like, you know, we we see so many these characters in the same outfits all the time. I think Shadow of the Empire kind of address, you know, where they got something like, you find out where Lucas this outfit, if it's roughly the same one, same style

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RUSS
and where where Leia gets the bounty hunter outfit. But like, is there some sort of self laundering system or are these clothes like special. Favors.

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JOSH
And solo? We see the wardrobe that's on the Millennium Falcon?

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RUSS
Well, lenders are. Yeah, so but I'm just wondering, like, do these folks really smell bad, like when they're near each other? Like.

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JONNY
Maybe, maybe they're showering powers in the galaxy far, far away. They're so good.

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Speaker 5
It's like eliminated.

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JOSH
It's Berkshire Hathaway with those. Yeah.

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Speaker 5
Yeah.

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JOSH
Especially on tattooing with those twin sons and all that heat. There's a.

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Speaker 5
Wolf.

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RUSS
There's a lot of sweat going on on tattooing. And so it's just been on my mind like. But now this looks outfit, it does look a little bit different. Like it looks.

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Speaker 5
Slightly more.

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RUSS
More robe like. It's more kind of like pullover.

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JAMES
He's wearing a.

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RUSS
Shadow.

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JAMES
Yeah, it looks like it's wearing a one doggy in the last scene.

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JONNY
Yeah, exactly. And they always try to. Even with the original outfit from the original trilogy, they try to make him look kind of like a karate guy sort of student thing. I get it. I think it's fine, like it's such a minor nit picking thing, but it's kind of related to what I'm going to say now, which

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JONNY
is my my only kind of like I would say, like bigger critique about it is that I don't necessarily agree with the direction of him being so dogmatic. Yes, the old Jedi teach because I feel like Luke in the original trilogy.

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JONNY
Now this is the way that I perceive Luke Skywalker. Everybody has their own vision of it, you know? That's why Last Jedi was such a big, controversial movie. But I think Luke is, in my opinion, kind of defined by his belief and his relationships to his friends and family, to the point when he saves the day by

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JONNY
believing his dad can still be good, you know? And so it's about his attachments that make him different. And what actually can kind of stuff? Yeah. And so in this one, he's like fucking attachments and it's like, I don't know and like and what's even interesting about to bring it back to the taking of the costume?

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JONNY
I just told Josh, right before we did this podcast, I was watching the tail on the Return of the Jedi. And over the course of the entire movie, Luke starts off looking very Jedi esque. And then he loses the cloak, and then he has a like a tunic over his like black shirt, and then he loses the

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JONNY
tunic and then he has like, he has a gunshot and his hands remind them that he's different. And then by the end of the movie, he's figuratively and literally stripped down to the bare bones of who this person is.

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JONNY
He's basically just wearing like a shirt, pants, boots and like the shirts all like fucking floppy. He looks like anyone else, you know? And I think that's like visual storytelling that kind of goes with the metaphor of him kind of breaking down to his fundamentals of what his priorities are and then seeing him now looking very Jedi

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JONNY
like and very dogmatic in the old school ways of the Jedi, I think, was kind of jarring because I was like, I don't know. I just feel like he would have a different philosophy, I think could be more Bruce Lee about this and less ancient master.

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JONNY
Yeah, that makes any sense.

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JOSH
So that's exactly what I wanted to talk about, because he doesn't learn that. He does it, nobody realizes that that's what made him special until he realizes it, and Yoda realizes it in The Last Jedi.

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JONNY
Which is a very long time to learn that lesson. Rice thought as a parent, you know where the sequel movies even came out?

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Speaker 5
Yeah, you know who to the.

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JOSH
Viewers, to the viewers, but not to the characters? Right? And if they are saying, OK, now Luke is going to go off and rebuild the Jedi, no one has told him why the Jedi fail, why they collapsed.

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JONNY
I just thinks it's bad luck, maybe or something.

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JOSH
So he's following the old teachings and everything, and he's he's he's trying to do it literally by the book. Mm hmm. So this to me is actually showing us the journey from how we get to the end of Return to the Jedi, to where he ends up being the last Jedi.

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JOSH
He's making a mistake. He's right. He's trying to rebuild the Jedi. Now I shouldn't, and he shouldn't do that.

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JONNY
I hear you and I completely agree with you. I think that's exactly what they're doing. And I also think as a storytelling device, if they don't show Luke Skywalker anymore, which I kind of hope they don't, because at a certain point you keep going back to the well is going to go dry.

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JONNY
And I feel like if they don't show Luke anymore, that works perfectly. But if they keep showing Luke, he has nowhere else to go. You know, and I feel.

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JOSH
Like, no, no, no.

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Speaker 5
I'm down.

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JONNY
Now. He's going to go down to The Last Jedi, but well, I'm trying to say, is that like if he? But it kind of narrows the the path of how he can be perceived that or executed as a character compared to if he's trying to do something new and he just fucks up doing something new?

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JONNY
You know, that type of thing in which case he can go anywhere as a character. But now it's like he's getting more and more and more confined into a very narrow path for his character. I think if that's the way they're going to do it, he said.

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JONNY
I'm trying to say.

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JOSH
Don't say what you're saying. I'm not. I'm not necessarily sure that I agree. I think there's a lot of places that they can go. It's just that we know where he ends up, obviously. But yeah, I was really when I saw that him literally making Drogo choose between the one man loves lone.

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Speaker 5
Wolf and.

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JOSH
Like, like that was some fucking horseshit Jedi stuff.

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JONNY
Yeah, I was like, It was a great scene. Like, like.

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JOSH
No, it was right.

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JONNY
Said Lone Wolf. But I was just watching and I was like, You know what? Fuck Luke, fuck the Jedi. Fuck this.

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Speaker 5
Exactly. No doubt the entire Jedi and in that scene.

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JOSH
But that's exactly my point, though. That's that's where, Luke.

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JONNY
That's why that's where he gets it. He's like, Yeah, it's the Jedi. Fuck all right. I totally get it, but I just go ahead.

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MURRAY
OK. Because I'm going to lose my mind because I hear what you guys are saying and I'm not saying that I disagree, but I don't think I agree because like there is a certain amount of self-realization, right? Like so if his whole journey of being a Jedi is his masters with Obi-Wan and Yoda being like, you can't

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MURRAY
be attached to anybody, you can't do that. And then he breaks that and like, accomplishes what he does. So he brings down the empire and stuff like that. There would be, as there would be a self-realization in that of like no like kind of like very like, I don't know, Frank Sinatra or some shit.

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MURRAY
Like, I did it my way type thing. And there would be like because Return of the Jedi ends happy and where I think. Since this takes place so close to return the Jedi, I think that that realization would still be there.

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MURRAY
I think what happens with Ben Solo breaks him and that's why he starts scrambling to like, What did I do wrong? Because that's no basis for salesmanship.

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JOSH
No, because of the attachments. Because he's like, he's like, OK, like, I have to be Jedi about this. I know he's my nephew, but I need to do the Jedi. I think he does it and that breaks him.

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MURRAY
But if and that's fine, if he was defying all his teachings and accomplished what he accomplished, why would he then just months later or a year later, like revert back to something that he never even believed in in the first.

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JOSH
Place because he needs to find out what the Jedi are to rebuild the Jedi Order? The mistake is that he's he shouldn't be rebuilding the Jedi Order. He should be doing something new. And I think that.

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Speaker 5
He.

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JOSH
And also Yoda and also Obi-Wan, I don't know if they commune again in the new canon, but they probably thought the reason he won he beat the emperor was because because only the son of Anakin would be able to beat the emperor.

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JOSH
I don't think they realize. I don't think even Yoda realizes. But you know, The Last Jedi, the reason he won was because he deviated from it.

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MURRAY
If Obi-Wan says, you know, if you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you can imagine. So if he's still more powerful than you can imagine and he's still not seeing the whole picture. That seems weird. Like then, then he's no different from when he was like.

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Speaker 5
I think.

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JOSH
Was like a.

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MURRAY
McDonald's.

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Speaker 5
Say.

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JONNY
But also like.

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Speaker 5
If he.

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JONNY
Gets to.

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MICKEY
That's that's what I'm.

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JONNY
Thinking, I I agree with Mary, too, because it's one of the scenes where it's like he gets to this point and we as the viewer after watching a movie series, get to that point. So as you said before, Josh, we know this.

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JONNY
If all the viewers know this, it's like, then you kind of have to work with that expectation and you can't have characters. I don't want to see being done.

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Speaker 5
But like not dealing with themselves.

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JONNY
Like purposefully obtuse. And just like we all know.

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MURRAY
For the sake of story, it's.

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JONNY
Exactly so it's like drama weird.

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JOSH
You know what I think the show is doing. I think it's showing why following a dogma is bad. That's also paralleled with the Mando story.

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Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah.

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JOSH
But like so, so so we see this in the real world, like you say that they're being willfully obtuse. We see it every day. There are people who are doing incredibly stupid things when the truth is staring them right in front of their face, but they believe in something that is preventing them from seeing it.

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JOSH
Mickey?

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MICKEY
Yeah, I was just going to say, like what I shouted out before. It's like, What if it's a fake out? What if Luke is really trying to get Grogu like he wants Grogu who to pick the personal attachment?

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MICKEY
Because that's what Luke did. At the same time, you can't have easy. So he's pushing actually pushing Grogu through the wrong, like the other way to put pressure.

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MURRAY
Do you want dogma?

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JONNY
So it's not as fantastic?

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MICKEY
That's right. That's not the reason that you don't seem like they set up like you don't see him pick, because that's the suspense is what's going on. But what if the real suspense is what if? What's Luke going to do?

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MICKEY
And like, what if it's like he picks a personal attachment? Luke's like, Actually, you're right. And B also, I write, very disappointed. Yeah, it was very just what it was chainmail and not some sort of like Viking helmet with like horns or.

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Speaker 5
Something like that. So horns on it, it goes.

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JONNY
Over his.

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Speaker 5
Eyes. So that's.

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JOSH
Fantastic. I mean, that's a fantastic point now, because that's that's.

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MURRAY
How it goes.

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JONNY
Yeah. And there's no way he's not going to choose Mando because no, I mean, come on.

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Speaker 5
Well, yes.

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JOSH
Yeah, I think they're setting us up for like a Baby Yoda revealed in the season finale of Mando, right?

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Speaker 5
Well.

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RUSS
They want us to. I mean, the idea is that we're like, Which one will we choose? Why not both? Because basically, how the episode has to go, Luke's going to potentially go to tattoo in. And the reason why he'd go is because he's bringing back Ragu.

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RUSS
So, I mean, for a whole Malay style episode. So Grogu, who has to choose The Mandalorian, but also, I don't know. I think he's a little bit afraid of lightsabers, as reflected when Luke's training and you see the reflections in his eyes and the flashback of when he sees lightsabers reflect in his eyes.

00;17;57;10 - 00;18;08;20
RUSS
I think he's suffering from some trauma that he's not dealt with. And how could he have? So maybe he's not really to light sabers. I still think he should pick it because it'd be kind of cool if everyone just got a lightsaber.

00;18;08;21 - 00;18;12;18
RUSS
Not that Grogu had any time to learn with it, but they but they both go back.

00;18;12;29 - 00;18;15;02
Speaker 5
To hold it. I was going to say, Hold it here.

00;18;16;01 - 00;18;30;05
RUSS
Yeah, but I really do think that he's either choosing Mando or both, and there's no chance he's choosing a straight Jedi course because as the show goes, they have to reunite Mando with Grogu for the next season, because that's where the money is.

00;18;30;05 - 00;18;44;09
RUSS
That's like, that's what the fans want to see. That's how you can market it. So there's no way. And also, people pointed out that in the the sequel trilogy Luke's, it's now. It's noted that Ben Solo is Luke's first student.

00;18;44;16 - 00;18;54;21
RUSS
And so if Grogu, who is Luke's first student that basically rewrites history and they're not going to on this year, and that's if they want to have a lot of people want that. But yeah, it's.

00;18;54;21 - 00;19;00;11
MURRAY
Like, no, they doubled down a few times saying, like, you'll be my first student, so that's probably you're probably very right.

00;19;00;22 - 00;19;03;16
JONNY
I mean, he's got that extra seat in the back of his ship. So there's no well.

00;19;03;16 - 00;19;04;03
MURRAY
That's what I'm stuck.

00;19;04;03 - 00;19;05;22
Speaker 5
Between the top of the band.

00;19;05;22 - 00;19;18;08
MURRAY
And that extra thing, it's like it's a guarantee that he's picking the chain mail or or whatever decision is going to lead him back to Mando because otherwise you you wouldn't have that stuff in the the show at all.

00;19;18;08 - 00;19;25;19
MURRAY
It's because it's worse than a mislead. It's just like treading water like not. I mean, that is the sole series of Boba Fett so far.

00;19;25;26 - 00;19;29;01
Speaker 5
But I disagree on that point, but we'll get to.

00;19;29;25 - 00;19;30;21
JOSH
Murray then James.

00;19;30;21 - 00;19;48;24
MURRAY
I think that Mickey's idea of it being like a false lead works because like to me, that is more in line with the loot that I pitched and as we all. So we have different views of him. But I picture from his self-awareness that he would know, like, I'm not like in an arrogant way.

00;19;48;24 - 00;20;02;27
MURRAY
I did it my way. But just like, no, I knew something in me was moving. That my attachments is where my strength came from. And so he was able to find this balance between light and dark that gave him more power than any one individually.

00;20;03;04 - 00;20;11;05
MURRAY
And I think you would know that. So for him to to kind of be like, do you want dogma or do you want, you know, stay true strength?

00;20;11;09 - 00;20;21;24
JOSH
Well, but that's not even where the old expanded universe went. The whole idea this whole time has been he rebuilds the Jedi. Now we have found out more about what the Jedi actually are, and it turns out that they're not that great.

00;20;22;21 - 00;20;39;04
JOSH
And I also think, again, it's situational. I don't know that he would know, Oh, OK. The key to my success in life is to is to ignore all of my teachings and and do things my way. I think it's like, Well, this was my father and I got through to my father, and he's the one who killed

00;20;39;04 - 00;20;51;16
JOSH
the emperor. Right? So I don't know that he knows that. It's like, Oh, the Jedi teachings are full of shit. I think he thinks it well that it was his father who did it, and he believed that his father had the good in him still.

00;20;51;21 - 00;20;53;14
JOSH
And and that's what it is from.

00;20;53;14 - 00;21;07;10
MURRAY
I mean, like from a standpoint of like a mental health standpoint. I totally get like Luke, never fake, always like downplaying his accomplishments, you know, like he saves like the galaxy. And he's like, Yeah, but I guess my dad really did it.

00;21;07;10 - 00;21;19;00
MURRAY
I don't know. I didn't really do anything except for, like, say, you could do it that, you know, like, so I totally get that, but I don't. That's not the impression that that I got and just really, really quick on the similar vibe.

00;21;19;01 - 00;21;40;17
MURRAY
I just want to say to James, like with the the super depressed Luke and everything like that, and it's not going to be a tangent, but like I, you know, I in college and stuff, I studied like the biblical studies and every like great profit that did any sorts of like tremendous works like from Moses to Noah

00;21;40;17 - 00;21;54;29
MURRAY
to Jonah, that they all are like trippingly, cripplingly depressed, like afterwards, like and you're just like, So you're like, you just did something like incredible, like like you rain fire down. And, you know, like, did all these works of, you know, miracles?

00;21;54;29 - 00;22;08;01
MURRAY
And then you're like, Do the next scene. He's like in a cave wanting death because he's so depressed and sad. So it's like I I kind of like, I don't know if that was an inspiration that they put into Luke, but like, that's what I saw when I watched it.

00;22;08;01 - 00;22;12;13
MURRAY
And then also, I was just kind of like, Oh, no, I understand, like constantly being depressed, like no matter what.

00;22;12;26 - 00;22;16;16
JOSH
But it's fascinating. No, it's very interesting. I want to go back to that James, then Mickey.

00;22;16;27 - 00;22;29;07
JAMES
Yeah, well, you know, I don't bend, right? I don't mind that, you know, Murray like that. I mean, I get it. I'm not like, I understand why for storytelling that that was Luke and I. It's just not the version I want to see.

00;22;29;07 - 00;22;30;16
JAMES
But that's like most of us with.

00;22;30;19 - 00;22;31;29
Speaker 5
Movies, but everything.

00;22;32;03 - 00;22;43;17
JAMES
So so I'm not saying it was not your brain. Yeah, I'm not saying it's terrible story. I'm just saying it's not the version. And of the character, I would want to see, but I can definitely see logically how you could get to being that character, especially with that character has been through.

00;22;44;18 - 00;22;58;04
JAMES
And I just want to make a point, I guess, you know what we're talking about with Luke's teaching, I guess, you know, maybe the way he's teaching, I'm hoping it's a ruse like Mickey said. Maybe the thought is like, Well, maybe this is his first student and all he he hasn't been taught how to teach like I

00;22;58;04 - 00;23;00;13
Speaker 5
. Had actually a couple of years ago, exactly.

00;23;00;13 - 00;23;07;03
JAMES
A couple of years ago, I got thrown into an aCademic setting of teaching, and I had never taught aCademically, and I went by the book because I know I was.

00;23;07;04 - 00;23;08;25
Speaker 5
Going on. That's exactly correct.

00;23;08;26 - 00;23;19;13
JOSH
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Like he does. It's like now. If his job, if he's supposed to rebuild the Jedi, he goes and he finds he finds a box. He finds out how to be a Jedi and like how you're supposed to teach them.

00;23;19;13 - 00;23;21;19
JOSH
And that's what he's doing, right? And that's powerful stake.

00;23;21;24 - 00;23;28;23
JAMES
He's got hollow qurans and books. And, you know, I'm sure the holograms didn't say like, Well, you got to be inventive when you make a lesson plan. I'm sure he's like, he's.

00;23;29;00 - 00;23;32;19
MURRAY
He's attached to the books to the extent that even Yoda, right? And Last Jedi is like.

00;23;32;21 - 00;23;33;17
JONNY
A sacred Jedi.

00;23;33;17 - 00;23;33;28
Speaker 5
Texts.

00;23;33;28 - 00;23;36;25
MURRAY
Yeah, he is like, Oh, they were great, right? They're real power burners.

00;23;36;25 - 00;23;50;02
JONNY
To quickly interject, not to back power anything like that. But I just as a general foundation of like, we have this discussion going on right now. I love the whole thing with Luke and grow grew and then don't have like that.

00;23;50;02 - 00;24;02;10
JONNY
So why me? I won't say I know that I actually enjoyed what they did. Oh my god, I hate it kind of came into conflict with I was like, Oh, like, as other people say about the other movies, I'm like, Oh, this isn't what I thought Luke would be like.

00;24;02;16 - 00;24;14;15
JONNY
I thought, you'd be more self-aware. But that being said, it's like. But like The Last Jedi, I'm like, I believe it. I believe what they're showing me because it's not entirely off base. But it wasn't what I expected.

00;24;14;24 - 00;24;29;21
MURRAY
In terms of like nit picking. I think that for me, like the thing that's maybe stopping me from getting the emotional connection that you guys are. Luke with Luke is like, I couldn't get over the line delivery. Like, it really seemed like this was before I knew that it was like robotic.

00;24;29;22 - 00;24;45;15
MURRAY
I literally thought that like, maybe because of COVID or something like that, that Mark Hamill just phoned in like literally like on like something like this. Like they just told him, Say this line, say this line because none of it had that like the rhythm that leads into another sentence.

00;24;45;15 - 00;25;00;15
MURRAY
You know, like when you're talking, your words like, go down before they come back up. But if you're just reading one sentence, you read it self proclaimed. And so like when he he's not having like a conversation, it's more like you remind me of someone, my master Yoda.

00;25;00;20 - 00;25;02;24
MURRAY
He was someone that taught me and was like, What.

00;25;02;24 - 00;25;03;23
Speaker 5
Is going on?

00;25;03;24 - 00;25;11;20
JOSH
Yeah, maybe you could say that being a Jedi master makes you say everything like a Cohen or whatever.

00;25;11;20 - 00;25;19;04
JONNY
It's that very much goes back to the last episodes where I talk about execution versus intention, and that's actually an execution issue 100%.

00;25;19;04 - 00;25;19;28
JOSH
But James continued.

00;25;20;06 - 00;25;33;10
JAMES
I know. I guess the last thing I was gonna say is like, aside from like, he's never taught anyone before, he could also be looking at it. And I don't know how much Obi-Wan's Ghost or Yoda's Ghost or Ahsoka told him, but he could be like, Well, my dad had attachments and he killed everybody.

00;25;33;14 - 00;25;36;07
Speaker 5
So like a vet, like a Hungarian?

00;25;36;18 - 00;25;40;03
JOSH
Yeah, he could. He could think of it. Like, like, Yo, I got lucky.

00;25;40;23 - 00;25;42;29
JAMES
Right? He could be look at me like, look and look at the bloodline.

00;25;42;29 - 00;25;45;00
MURRAY
That exception, not the rule. Yeah, right?

00;25;45;08 - 00;25;47;17
JOSH
So that's actually a very interesting.

00;25;47;28 - 00;25;49;10
JONNY
That's a yeah, I never thought about that.

00;25;49;18 - 00;25;50;22
JOSH
Mickey, then Russ?

00;25;50;23 - 00;25;55;04
MICKEY
Yeah, that's a good point. I just want to say I like the bad voice because.

00;25;55;18 - 00;25;58;08
Speaker 5
Oh, I was picking up on these like knives.

00;25;58;26 - 00;26;13;18
MICKEY
If you ever watch, like when you like movies, they show you the nineties. But they were from the seventies and like and like were like those like made for TV seventies movies. When you had like whoever was the B or C listed like Mark Hamill and Mark Hamill wasn't that great actor first place, at least in their

00;26;13;18 - 00;26;16;13
MICKEY
early early, the first episode the first.

00;26;17;17 - 00;26;18;02
Speaker 5
It's a very.

00;26;18;11 - 00;26;19;10
MURRAY
It's a voice acting.

00;26;19;15 - 00;26;20;27
MICKEY
Yeah, but it's very.

00;26;20;28 - 00;26;23;20
JOSH
Specific. That's a very good point. Yeah, he knows.

00;26;23;23 - 00;26;25;01
Speaker 5
I know him a good actor.

00;26;25;01 - 00;26;40;16
MICKEY
I think I think early on, and that's the thing is, I don't think it's him. I think it's actually a seventies esthetic or something. There's something like that style of that kind of deadpan delivery. To me, it's like that just threw me back to so many like seventies, like made for TV movies or something of so many

00;26;40;16 - 00;26;43;01
MICKEY
blond kids with my hair talking.

00;26;43;03 - 00;26;45;09
Speaker 5
Yeah, I think that very much.

00;26;45;09 - 00;26;47;16
JONNY
Was the limitation of the program. I mean, it's yeah.

00;26;47;27 - 00;26;57;22
MICKEY
I think that they actually I like that they brought back that kind of music that had the same kind of seventies vibe to it too. And so it was kind of just like, it's like, yeah, just kind of chill and like, if there was a whole episode like show, that was that.

00;26;57;22 - 00;27;04;07
MICKEY
And it's just like, we're just going to yell and talk about philosophy on this planet and very dead tones to like stern music to be like, All right.

00;27;04;21 - 00;27;05;04
Speaker 5
That's cool.

00;27;08;02 - 00;27;21;18
MURRAY
No, I like my my wife said something similar that like, it does sound the way he did sound in return the Jedi, when he's like, I'm a Jedi, like my father before me, you know? And so it did sound like that.

00;27;21;18 - 00;27;33;05
MURRAY
But I guess for me, it kind of worked in those small little doses. But when he's like, here's a whole like monologue that I'm going to read one line at a time into this computer. I was like, Borked style.

00;27;33;15 - 00;27;34;24
Speaker 5
It's a weird when there's.

00;27;34;27 - 00;27;45;19
MICKEY
Can say, like I realize with like Russ was saying with like Baby Yoda, I'm not going to do the Gregory thing. Baby Yoda is Baby Yoda. Fair enough. I don't go. Yeah, yeah. He's Baby Yoda. He should always be a puppet.

00;27;45;24 - 00;27;49;04
MICKEY
They should do what Herzog say. Leave the puppet in you, cowards.

00;27;49;07 - 00;27;49;28
JOSH
You coward.

00;27;50;06 - 00;27;52;08
Speaker 5
Believe it or leave it.

00;27;53;26 - 00;28;10;24
MICKEY
But but yeah, he's scared of the weapon and they. And then that made me remind me the lapsed episode when that Mandalorian leader said that armor is for protection and it's not a weapon. And so this is really going to be like Mike Rogers moment, not just to pick out a connection to Mando, but whether he's a

00;28;10;24 - 00;28;26;23
MICKEY
Mandalorian or a Jedi, if he believes in an offensive. Although, you know, I think they will say, like you use it to block a lightsaber, a it's not exactly an offensive weapon, but armor. You know, something productive or something that can be used to attack, I think is like might be a powerful statement for Baby Yoda to

00;28;26;24 - 00;28;38;11
MICKEY
make. So maybe, you know, maybe I am wrong, but then kind of, you know, to, you know, to the point, like, James is making everything that maybe that's maybe that's what it's going to realize. It's like, Oh, I lost my way from Return of the Jedi.

00;28;38;20 - 00;28;55;00
MICKEY
I got too deep into the box. And now, and didn't they say something like residentially? It's like, Oh, the students, like sometimes just the student teachers, the teacher. So maybe that will be what happens with that. Kirkwood will teach Luke, you know, that he should actually go back to like what got him to like Return of the

00;28;55;00 - 00;28;55;25
MICKEY
Jedi and everything.

00;28;55;27 - 00;28;57;00
JOSH
That's an interesting point.

00;28;57;04 - 00;29;08;01
RUSS
Mm-Hmm. one thing I want to mention was when Amanda shows up on Unknown Planet. Don't know where that is. Some people have speculated that it's end or it doesn't really have like.

00;29;08;01 - 00;29;08;22
JOSH
Fucking end, or.

00;29;08;29 - 00;29;10;04
Speaker 5
At least.

00;29;10;22 - 00;29;16;25
RUSS
Based on the based on the foliage alone. But but anyway, I kind of like this whole like waiting for Godot, Waiting for Godot.

00;29;17;03 - 00;29;21;26
Speaker 5
This situation is just, you know, it's.

00;29;21;26 - 00;29;37;27
RUSS
Like they're making my bench just to sit on you sleeping on it. And like, there's this spider bots building little huts, which I mean, I guess could foreshadow to the sequel trilogy. We see that those huts aren't necessarily ancient Jedi huts, but they're built by spider bots.

00;29;38;06 - 00;29;52;24
RUSS
Yeah, I don't. I don't necessarily know like if we need to see it visually interesting, but I don't really know what what that's about. But one thing I want to mention was, I think, one of the reasons why Ahsoka is there and possibly because, you know, they want there.

00;29;52;24 - 00;30;07;08
RUSS
She's getting her own show. I believe Rey is that. Yeah. So so they want they want to keep her present in the kind of the the fan. I I think one of the reasons she's also there is to do a lot of the talking because they know they can't have a robot.

00;30;07;09 - 00;30;22;14
RUSS
Luke, do a lot of the talking that a lot of the conversation has to happen through another party in order for them to like, achieve a better Luke effect is to have him from a distance or a minimal and reduce the total screen time that that robot Luke has.

00;30;22;19 - 00;30;23;02
RUSS
So I think.

00;30;23;04 - 00;30;33;06
JOSH
The thing I notice was that they they the shots of Luke, a lot of them were wide, of which I think went a long way. So I don't think it's because they were incapable of doing.

00;30;33;06 - 00;30;37;11
Speaker 5
It really well. The task, I just thought it could because it could be cost.

00;30;37;28 - 00;30;39;19
JOSH
Yeah, exactly. I think it was cost and time.

00;30;39;28 - 00;30;40;09
Speaker 5
Yeah.

00;30;40;13 - 00;30;43;17
JONNY
And they also cut away when he says a lot of dialog. So you don't actually.

00;30;43;17 - 00;30;44;13
Speaker 5
Think you're getting.

00;30;44;13 - 00;30;49;10
RUSS
Your shoulder there. All the filmmaking techniques when you when you have to sub in someone for an actor.

00;30;49;25 - 00;30;50;23
Speaker 5
Exactly. Yeah.

00;30;50;24 - 00;30;56;06
JOSH
So because there were a lot of close shots where he looks fucking fantastic. So, so I think that's funny.

00;30;56;08 - 00;30;56;14
RUSS
It was.

00;30;56;14 - 00;30;57;01
MURRAY
Insane.

00;30;57;01 - 00;30;58;01
Speaker 5
Yeah. Yeah.

00;30;58;02 - 00;31;16;06
MURRAY
In terms of like what we were saying with the Jedi like and their dogmatic ways and stuff like that, I did get a similar feeling with the Soka that you get with people that follow such like dogmatic things because she did the total like, no, you could see him if you want like and you could do whatever

00;31;16;06 - 00;31;27;09
MURRAY
you want. If you want to ruin his life, you could totally do it like you know it, like laying on like this, like, well, that's weird. Like religious, like dogmatic, like guilt. Like, no, everyone's free to do whatever they want.

00;31;27;13 - 00;31;28;23
MURRAY
If you want to hurt him, go ahead.

00;31;28;25 - 00;31;30;05
Speaker 5
Hurt. Yeah, like she.

00;31;30;09 - 00;31;31;18
MURRAY
Actually training like.

00;31;31;27 - 00;31;35;03
JONNY
That actually frustrated me because she's being so manipulative.

00;31;35;09 - 00;31;36;15
MURRAY
Towards exactly. She's not.

00;31;37;05 - 00;31;37;18
Speaker 5
Like, it.

00;31;37;19 - 00;31;39;04
MICKEY
Must be so tough to deal with.

00;31;42;22 - 00;31;42;28
Speaker 5
Like.

00;31;43;26 - 00;31;59;14
JOSH
That once again. And James can speak to this as well. The whole thing with the soccer was that she's not a Jedi anymore. So. So, so I think really what she was saying, and I think there's another way to look at it, like when you drop your child off at school, for example, or if you've broken up

00;31;59;14 - 00;32;09;25
JOSH
with someone and they're trying to get over you. I think what she was saying is you are going to make it hard for him because he misses you. So that's more how I read it, though your reading. I totally get that.

00;32;09;25 - 00;32;11;21
JOSH
It's very cold. The religious cult.

00;32;11;28 - 00;32;14;11
MURRAY
Yes, it's fake. Fake choice.

00;32;14;11 - 00;32;15;15
Speaker 5
Like, Oh yeah.

00;32;15;17 - 00;32;25;29
JONNY
Yeah, what? What got me through that? But also, I totally believe that to a I don't know that much about her character because I don't watch the the other shows, but also the fact that Grogu, who is a baby.

00;32;26;07 - 00;32;41;28
JONNY
So it's like this is going to make if Grogu, who was say like ten years old, like was not like as like a human, like he was like able to like, speak and. You have an actual personality. Luke probably could show up for like a half hour, see him and then leave and then think he meant Amanda

00;32;42;05 - 00;32;57;01
JONNY
. I'm sorry, man. OK. So I think you've Mando could show up, visit him for like a date and leave, and the kid could probably take it. But since Gregor is a baby that could derail him for a while, that Lucas then overcome the getting back on track.

00;32;57;14 - 00;33;04;09
JONNY
But the way she went about it, I was like, like, Mary said, it's like, this is kind of manipulative.

00;33;04;15 - 00;33;05;23
Speaker 5
You know, like, you didn't.

00;33;05;23 - 00;33;08;15
JONNY
Really have a choice at that point when she put it down that like that.

00;33;08;15 - 00;33;15;19
JOSH
James, I need you to speak about the stranger in the desert. The bounty hunter that I know.

00;33;15;19 - 00;33;16;14
JAMES
Kat Bane.

00;33;16;24 - 00;33;17;18
Speaker 5
Yeah, Cadman.

00;33;17;22 - 00;33;20;18
JAMES
I claim I have lots to say about this.

00;33;20;29 - 00;33;22;09
JOSH
OK, well, go for it.

00;33;22;18 - 00;33;23;02
Speaker 5
Oh yeah.

00;33;23;09 - 00;33;26;10
JOSH
I don't think any of the rest of us have seen him in Clone Wars, right?

00;33;26;24 - 00;33;31;14
MURRAY
Only like two or three episodes myself. Like in the beginning, what two seasons, whatever he's.

00;33;31;22 - 00;33;33;13
JAMES
In and he's in regular season rebels.

00;33;33;13 - 00;33;35;27
MURRAY
As well. I've only seen the first two seasons I've.

00;33;36;05 - 00;33;38;04
JONNY
I've seen like YouTube clips or whatever.

00;33;38;11 - 00;33;48;20
JOSH
So I will say that knowing he existed, but not really knowing his deal. I thought his entrance and his whole shit and his whole scene was fucking really awesome. And he was.

00;33;48;20 - 00;33;48;27
Speaker 5
Good.

00;33;48;27 - 00;33;51;11
JOSH
Very scary, all very bad. Yeah, no.

00;33;51;12 - 00;33;52;23
MURRAY
That three way shootout.

00;33;52;28 - 00;33;54;24
JOSH
Yeah, very sad that we lost.

00;33;55;06 - 00;33;55;19
JONNY
Deputy.

00;33;56;01 - 00;33;57;20
JOSH
Justified over there. But but did.

00;33;57;20 - 00;34;12;00
Speaker 5
We? No, no, no, no. Please, no. I think he did a show there, man. Yeah. Watch him. And that's all right. All right. Patch him on through and through. Watch the playback, man. Yeah, I mean, his shoulder got shot.

00;34;12;10 - 00;34;12;15
Speaker 5
I mean.

00;34;12;15 - 00;34;14;22
JOSH
That's your friend got shot in the in the midsection.

00;34;14;23 - 00;34;17;06
Speaker 5
Which is fucking too low. Yeah, no lasers.

00;34;17;06 - 00;34;18;13
RUSS
Cauterize the quarter, right?

00;34;18;21 - 00;34;19;25
Speaker 5
But I'm good.

00;34;20;22 - 00;34;30;18
JOSH
But James, I want to know your thoughts on Kat Baynes appearance in the show and your thoughts on where that might be headed and how they handled him and what you think about that.

00;34;31;08 - 00;34;42;12
JAMES
Sure. I just want to say one thing before I get the cat, just because like with, I'm sorry just to say like from going back to Asoka since I've followed her for how many seasons we did that and then we didn't.

00;34;42;12 - 00;34;53;09
JAMES
Rebels like she is more of a Jedi, technically to Luke because she had way more training away. And I would also say that she's sort of like playing. I'm going to out of date reference, but Jon Stewart, like, I'm not a political guy, so you don't have to listen to me.

00;34;53;17 - 00;34;54;13
JAMES
Meanwhile, like.

00;34;54;21 - 00;34;55;02
Speaker 5
She's.

00;34;56;12 - 00;35;09;24
JAMES
So steeped in the mythology and knows the break of the path that she's being a little passive aggressive there. So that's all I'm going to say. Like, I don't. That's her intention, but the tone in the mind. But to go back to cat being, he's he's a great character.

00;35;10;05 - 00;35;22;00
JAMES
My main thing with cat fans like Dave Filoni is like playing this huge long game, which I've said before, in fact, bringing this character finally into The Mandalorian and and a book of Boba Fett. Because now I think we're in The Mandalorian because I haven't seen.

00;35;22;03 - 00;35;37;08
JAMES
I was like applauding. Boba Fett showed up in his own show this week. Good for us, but like had been is to go back to our conversation with last episode. He is the other version of Boba Fett we would have liked to have seen, or at least Russ would have liked to have seen.

00;35;37;10 - 00;35;50;10
JAMES
This is the ruthless money bounty hunter in Clone Wars and Rebels. He doesn't have allegiance to anyone except what the job is, what the money is, and if you get in his way, I'm killing you and taking what I need and not.

00;35;50;10 - 00;35;51;02
MURRAY
Sugar, baby.

00;35;51;02 - 00;36;08;05
JAMES
Yeah, he is that guy and he is the other. This is like I now we're getting like The Mandalorian is what we hope Boba Fett would be hadbeen is what Boba Fett could have been. Now we have, like just Boba Fett has no identity because the Cad Bane is is just the, you know, the Clint Eastwood bad

00;36;08;05 - 00;36;13;10
JAMES
ass bounty hunter western guy throughout. True and true, he has no heart love.

00;36;13;14 - 00;36;16;18
JOSH
But once again, I have to stand up for my man Boba over here.

00;36;16;19 - 00;36;18;04
Speaker 5
He doesn't have a character.

00;36;18;23 - 00;36;24;07
JOSH
He does have a character. It's just not the one that that he he had in the nineties.

00;36;24;23 - 00;36;38;16
JAMES
No, that's true. I'm just saying with like, I don't know where they're going with. I think it's amazing that they brought this character in and really are tying in again. I know, he said, like, is it fair that you have to watch seasons of Clone Wars and Rebels to get a full background of of two of the

00;36;38;16 - 00;36;44;22
JAMES
characters in the show? No, but if you're if you're watching them, this is a big like, wow, they brought this guy in.

00;36;44;23 - 00;36;57;13
JOSH
No, I mean, for me, who had not seen Cad Bane's episodes in the other series, like his entrance was super effective for me. I got I got everything you just said from that one scene. So I think it was very.

00;36;57;13 - 00;37;09;28
JAMES
Successful and they made a for halo. Yeah, great. He looks like he looks like the three dimensional like animation they do. But like, like he look his it looks amazing and he's always had that look like he's been the cowboy since the beginning.

00;37;09;28 - 00;37;10;09
JAMES
So.

00;37;10;23 - 00;37;10;28
Speaker 5
Hmm.

00;37;11;11 - 00;37;13;09
JOSH
So very cool. Murray than Jon.

00;37;13;16 - 00;37;15;00
MURRAY
Shit. What was I going to say.

00;37;15;14 - 00;37;16;05
Speaker 5
Jon then Murray.

00;37;16;18 - 00;37;18;12
MURRAY
I repeat everything you said and no.

00;37;19;08 - 00;37;20;05
Speaker 5
Oh no. There was a time.

00;37;20;16 - 00;37;34;18
MURRAY
Where they tried to double down on. They know that they're not showing us the proper Boba Fett or that's in our head because even our our western dude, I forgot his name. That's why I said he. He says I.

00;37;34;24 - 00;37;42;16
MURRAY
Oh, be careful, Boba Fett's like a ruthless, bloodthirsty, whatever it is he is he I don't know you like I.

00;37;42;27 - 00;37;43;04
Speaker 5
Could be.

00;37;43;04 - 00;37;44;28
RUSS
Telling that that could be healing.

00;37;45;12 - 00;37;46;03
Speaker 5
He used to.

00;37;46;03 - 00;37;46;15
JOSH
Be.

00;37;47;12 - 00;37;49;23
MURRAY
But did he say he used to be or he said he is.

00;37;49;26 - 00;38;00;16
JOSH
What I'm saying is what he's saying is not untrue from a certain point of view, when he because he says he says he used to work for the empire, he was a ruthless piece of shit. He's using. He's wielding his past.

00;38;00;29 - 00;38;02;03
JOSH
He's using it against.

00;38;02;18 - 00;38;03;09
Speaker 5
I guess.

00;38;03;12 - 00;38;06;28
JONNY
He's also trying to get my job done, so he won't say anything to manipulate the.

00;38;06;28 - 00;38;18;17
MURRAY
Public. I guess I took it too much of like, maybe like in a bad mood, a sense of them being like, Guys, no, no, no, guys. Like, just trust us. We're telling you Boba Fett's, but we're making him like, appealing.

00;38;18;17 - 00;38;22;13
MURRAY
But also, he's just as bad as this guy. I tell you, just work what?

00;38;22;13 - 00;38;33;17
JOSH
You also have to be aware, though, to all of these episodes were written and shot before any fan reaction happened, right? So, so so they're not reacting to any of our reactions, at least within a season of story.

00;38;33;17 - 00;38;35;18
MURRAY
It's almost like they knew, though, right?

00;38;35;25 - 00;38;48;12
JONNY
I think as a viewer, we still remember Boba Fett from the original trilogy, which he did seem like a killer. So like, you know, I think campaigns manipulating the population by trying to get them uneasy to make his job easier.

00;38;48;29 - 00;38;52;22
JONNY
That a tricky sentence. And then also.

00;38;52;24 - 00;38;54;03
Speaker 5
Refunds are gone now.

00;38;54;04 - 00;39;07;09
JONNY
Exactly. Also referring to the way that we remember him. But to what I really wanted to say was that. I I don't know anything about this character besides being aware of him, I knew what he looked like as soon as I saw his, so I knew her was and I went, Oh, really?

00;39;07;15 - 00;39;24;29
JONNY
And then when he showed up, I thought it was tip top. A-plus perfect. And this is the first time and all of Star Wars with every single thing that I've seen were, I actually thought the bad guy was legitimately scary.

00;39;25;17 - 00;39;36;01
JONNY
Like, like, even when Darth Maul shows up and the doors open, it's like Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. I'm like, Oh, this is going to be a good fight. But when he shows up in the town, I'm like, They're going to lose.

00;39;36;05 - 00;39;48;24
JONNY
Like, I knew, no matter what was going to happen, I was like, Cad Bane is going to win. Like, I knew he was like Anton Schrager and no country falls. Yeah, yeah. Good reference. I was like, There's no way this is going to go well.

00;39;48;24 - 00;40;00;24
JONNY
And when he looked up his hat and you saw his eyes and his teeth, I was like, Yeah, this is a scary motherfucker. Like, if I was a little kid, I actually might like, put the blanket over my head, you know, obviously I wasn't.

00;40;01;08 - 00;40;02;17
JONNY
Maybe a little, but but.

00;40;03;12 - 00;40;03;16
Speaker 5
But.

00;40;03;22 - 00;40;13;23
JONNY
But like just watching, I was like, This is the first time I think they've ever actually had a guy that was beyond intimidating and whatnot is scary. Level one bad guy, which I thought was very cool.

00;40;14;00 - 00;40;29;15
MURRAY
And the town like kind of nose like Timothy Olyphant character like he like knows basically the outcome before it happens right now, before he gets there, he's like, clear the streets, like basically like, I think that that kind of like sold it to.

00;40;29;15 - 00;40;43;16
MURRAY
It's like when you see the characters not have any bravado, but they're all just like, Well, I'm going to try to get us like the least amount of fucked that we can be because it's like, this is the storm that the gathering storm is coming right my way type.

00;40;43;25 - 00;40;49;09
JONNY
And the and what I was talking about. This is the day with my other friends and I.

00;40;49;09 - 00;40;50;03
JOSH
What other friends, Jon?

00;40;50;09 - 00;40;54;23
MURRAY
I know you don't have any other friends. Well, this pillow and the.

00;40;54;23 - 00;40;56;10
MURRAY
Blanket he used to cover himself when?

00;40;56;10 - 00;40;57;09
Speaker 5
Not exactly, but.

00;40;58;14 - 00;40;59;25
JOSH
What you see them. They're sitting.

00;41;00;09 - 00;41;01;24
Speaker 5
Right? Yeah.

00;41;02;25 - 00;41;03;23
JONNY
Baby freak. No.

00;41;04;15 - 00;41;07;22
Speaker 5
So you want to.

00;41;07;22 - 00;41;09;10
JOSH
See the bulk of Babu Frik? I would watch.

00;41;09;10 - 00;41;09;29
Speaker 5
That. Yes.

00;41;11;12 - 00;41;28;08
JONNY
I think one of my favorite moments of the entire scene, as he knows the deputy's going to die and when they have these intense close-ups right before they pull their guns and the look on Timothy Olyphant face, he's trying to look at the deputy and warn him.

00;41;28;08 - 00;41;42;17
JONNY
But he can't take his eyes off of Cad because he knows the moment he does. He's dead. And so there's this literal struggle where you see in his face, he's kind of like quickly kind of going back and forth between the two of them, and he looks like he's grimacing and it's like trying to see like you

00;41;42;17 - 00;41;55;05
JONNY
, motherfucker, just go inside and like, and then he knows your moment is going to happen any second. And it does. And I thought that was just beautiful execution and the incredible choice of camerawork and directed.

00;41;55;05 - 00;41;55;09
Speaker 5
By.

00;41;55;20 - 00;41;55;27
JOSH
Dave Filoni man.

00;41;55;27 - 00;42;01;04
JONNY
Man. Exactly. And and actors reacting to the situation is what it is. It's a personal.

00;42;01;05 - 00;42;05;02
MURRAY
Slight shot for shot, but it is good and the ugly right with the three way.

00;42;05;23 - 00;42;07;02
Speaker 5
Oh, showdown.

00;42;07;03 - 00;42;07;23
MURRAY
Yeah, right?

00;42;08;02 - 00;42;08;27
JONNY
Yes, because that's.

00;42;09;20 - 00;42;15;28
JOSH
Mickey and then James. If you have time, I would love for you to give your final verdict on the episode or any closing thoughts.

00;42;16;14 - 00;42;27;12
MICKEY
first best title of the whole all the series, including, you know, The Mandalorian and everything Mandalorian. It's got an entrance because if you don't know, they don't know. I don't think I ever mentioned that character's name, so he's just to me.

00;42;27;12 - 00;42;34;15
MICKEY
He was the stranger and aptly terrifying, and I want to say he's he's not Clint Eastwood. He is the Vanquish, right?

00;42;35;01 - 00;42;36;23
Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

00;42;37;06 - 00;42;37;13
JONNY
Yeah.

00;42;37;24 - 00;42;39;05
Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's.

00;42;39;05 - 00;42;40;14
JAMES
Very good to call it. Make it so.

00;42;40;17 - 00;42;46;02
JOSH
So, James, before we lose you, I I want to get your closing thoughts are final verdict on the episode.

00;42;46;14 - 00;42;49;25
JAMES
I mean, this is the best episode of Star Wars, and I thought that was last week.

00;42;49;25 - 00;42;50;27
Speaker 5
So, you know.

00;42;51;13 - 00;43;04;16
JAMES
I don't like, I guess I was thinking like, I guess they they are literally going for maybe the book of Boba Fett, except the book of Boba Fett written by Stephen King or Jon Steinbeck, because they have chapters that mean nothing to the main story in it or something like.

00;43;05;03 - 00;43;06;05
MURRAY
Jon Steinbeck rules.

00;43;06;24 - 00;43;13;10
JAMES
I'm not saying he does. I'm just saying, like, sometimes I just remember reading Grapes of Wrath made a metaphorical chapter about a turtle, so I guess that always scarred me from.

00;43;13;23 - 00;43;15;10
Speaker 5
That's my favorite book of all time.

00;43;15;16 - 00;43;22;19
JAMES
So I apologize to Jon Steinbeck fans that might be watching this, and I apologize.

00;43;23;01 - 00;43;23;09
Speaker 5
For the.

00;43;24;01 - 00;43;25;05
JAMES
Slight. I'm Jon Steinbeck.

00;43;25;05 - 00;43;26;21
MURRAY
And I'm the only one left standing.

00;43;26;26 - 00;43;27;07
Speaker 5
Yeah.

00;43;27;18 - 00;43;37;22
JAMES
Yeah. I just was saying it seems like, I guess maybe it's a literal book that these are chapters that are going to tie into the main book like next week. Hopefully, I'm assuming and I'm looking forward to it.

00;43;38;09 - 00;43;56;07
JAMES
You know, I it seems like they they had this idea for Boba Fett and then they were going with an anthology series almost now. And I'm hoping it'll tie back in at the end. But you know, I'm in for the ride, definitely, if not for Boba Fett and everybody else that they've shown me at this point.

00;43;56;16 - 00;44;07;22
JAMES
And I'm guessing. I don't know what to guess at this point, I was I was surprised. I was really surprised. We saw Luke and Grogan in the Book of Boba Fett. I thought we would have to wait until Mandalorian season three for that.

00;44;07;23 - 00;44;10;02
JOSH
So that was I was pleasantly surprised.

00;44;10;15 - 00;44;12;16
MURRAY
I think we'd see Luke again at all, actually.

00;44;12;27 - 00;44;13;24
Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah.

00;44;14;09 - 00;44;21;21
JOSH
I was pretty sure we were going to. Maybe because I knew that they had hired that guy and I was like, they want to be able to do as much of this.

00;44;22;07 - 00;44;22;28
Speaker 5
That's the part.

00;44;23;08 - 00;44;33;08
JOSH
About the book of Boba Fett, the title. There was a tweet that I read from that Alden Diaz that really sums it up. He says it has never been more clear why this show is called the Book of Boba Fett.

00;44;33;18 - 00;44;44;10
JOSH
Honestly, 100% on and ironically, the choice to add the book of makes so much more sense when you consider how we were introduced to the show even being a thing and the inspirational sources like the Bible, like the books in the Bible.

00;44;44;17 - 00;44;55;25
JOSH
It means you're changing perspectives or framing devices slash narratives, but it is still the story, whatever that may be. I mean, super vague here. Of course, I don't want to spoil anything, but I think this TV meets novel approach is the goal.

00;44;55;25 - 00;45;11;13
JOSH
And somebody went on to say the Rev Ty replied, Who I assume is a reverend. He says, given the Bible something, I know a thing or two about this rings of such truth. They set out to tell the tale of a new era of Mandalorians and Jedi, and these are the stories within it, like how the Prophet

00;45;11;13 - 00;45;14;21
JOSH
Isaiah is found in the book two Kings, but also has his own book. I thought that.

00;45;15;20 - 00;45;16;02
Speaker 5
Was really.

00;45;16;05 - 00;45;16;23
JONNY
Interesting.

00;45;16;25 - 00;45;17;27
JAMES
Yeah, that's very interesting.

00;45;18;09 - 00;45;19;11
Speaker 5
Yeah, that actually kind of.

00;45;19;22 - 00;45;31;22
MICKEY
Makes me feel like, well, I was going to say to two things and one thing was related app. And now I actually think my idea is bad because I was thinking like, it'd be great if they just they have all these characters they bring in that they got to bring back the we'll show.

00;45;32;02 - 00;45;42;18
MICKEY
We're just every episode is actually just a different like, there's eight characters. There's Boba Fett's one week, then the next week you could check in and it's Mando, and the next week you check in and it's the martial type of thing.

00;45;42;18 - 00;45;53;18
MICKEY
And it's like, that's just like a format of TV that there used to be that I miss that I think would be great. You could do. But with that then kind of goes against like that great idea. What I like that person was saying of these like it more each season, being a chapter of a book of

00;45;53;26 - 00;45;55;29
MICKEY
this kind of religion thing, which is kind of cool.

00;45;56;10 - 00;46;11;21
JOSH
Though that's kind of what's happening, though, because I actually thought about you whenever someone made a variation of the joke. The best episode of Boba Fett and Boba Fett's not even in it. You know what I kept thinking is like this whole thing you said a few weeks ago how TV can be anything, and you were disappointed

00;46;11;21 - 00;46;28;01
JOSH
that they were sticking with the TV format. But I actually think they are kind of doing something with TV that is not what we're used to. We're watching this story this season of story as if it's like its own self-contained arc or that it's like somehow separated.

00;46;28;01 - 00;46;40;00
JOSH
But what we're really watching is kind of what you're talking about. It's not the wheel show, it's the wheel universe of shows, right? So like for one season you get, Oh, we're going to focus mainly on what's going on with Boba Fett.

00;46;40;00 - 00;46;59;13
JOSH
And I don't know how the other shows are going to handle all of the interconnectivity. But that's what that made me think of was that like, you know, we're now seeing a TV show that is not really operating the way TV shows operate, its kind of operating the way a TV show within an interconnected universe of TV

00;46;59;13 - 00;47;00;11
JOSH
shows operates.

00;47;00;17 - 00;47;01;11
JAMES
Yeah, totally.

00;47;01;29 - 00;47;18;11
RUSS
Something going totally off the structure of the show last week. one of the things I thought of when I was watching the episode and didn't mention and kind of comes into play here a little bit is when Mendez getting his new ship, it's the Nabu Starfighter.

00;47;18;17 - 00;47;33;17
RUSS
And I thought, like, that's too small to to keep a bounty like you can't like unless you put them in the dome section. Like, there's really like there's got to be no storage capacity for a pilot to have like an emergency kit have rations, that kind of thing.

00;47;33;17 - 00;47;47;00
RUSS
So there's always that like even like when Nucleon San Diego, but he's got a whole bunch of containers and stuff like there is their space and ship. So that's not really a concern as far as where he puts his gear, but he really can't put another person, necessarily unless they fit in the Astrodome, which is rather strapped

00;47;47;00 - 00;47;47;29
JOSH
. To the roof strapped.

00;47;48;13 - 00;47;51;26
RUSS
So and so. So if you can put up a few things in.

00;47;51;26 - 00;47;52;23
JOSH
Case and carbonite.

00;47;53;13 - 00;47;59;12
RUSS
So be one in attack of the Clones had that craft with the separate starlight.

00;48;01;09 - 00;48;02;02
JOSH
The hyperspace ring.

00;48;02;03 - 00;48;17;18
RUSS
Yeah, the hyperspace ring. So a that could be a thing. B It's very telling of the direction of the show as a whole. Basically, they don't intend him to intend for Mando to have any bounties going forward. That's not the direction that his character is going.

00;48;17;18 - 00;48;29;06
RUSS
He's going back to Mandalore. He has to purify himself and get the helmet. So when he when he's traveling, it's episode like he's traveling super fast and he's going to the planet and just the starfighter. That's that's it.

00;48;29;06 - 00;48;40;16
RUSS
That's the new character for Mando that we see. And so that really intentional, like I thought, like I was a Broadway. You can't be a bounty hunter anymore. A lot of other people have these concerns. Well, it was a decision, you know, for a reason.

00;48;40;21 - 00;48;56;02
RUSS
So I accept that and come in the direction of the show. And so I'm curious to see he's not going be really a bounty hunter in season three of Mandalorian. That's that's not that's not a thing. So this kind of is showing us where they're what they're thinking, where they're going.

00;48;56;08 - 00;49;10;12
RUSS
So like you gave you about 100 is not supposed to be. That being said, like structure, getting back to the structure of the show and Boba Fett not being in it, yeah, a book, I think I think they kind of they missed the mark a little bit.

00;49;10;13 - 00;49;23;18
RUSS
It should have been. They wanted a reason to bring characters together. They wanted a melee episode. It's all coming together for this one episode. They wanted to have a melee. They wanted to have original trilogy characters. Luke potentially Han Solo was going to show up.

00;49;23;23 - 00;49;34;14
RUSS
You might even have a Leia in a cockpit. Like, who knows what we're going to see? It's going to be an all out like brawl in this next episode, where at some point Han's like Boba Fett, we're working with Boba Fett.

00;49;34;14 - 00;49;44;03
RUSS
Like something like that might happen, I think. Definitely some reference to like Jyn. Both I try to kill you. Luke didn't, didn't he? You know, didn't he? You know, bring me to Jabba. So there's going to be some.

00;49;44;03 - 00;49;57;28
RUSS
I think there's going to be some of that like reckoning with original trilogy Boba Fett. And he's like, No, he's different now. Bob is a different person. But then my real hope is that the very end of this melee, he screws everyone over and gives me exactly what I want and makes it all like a big ruse

00;49;57;28 - 00;49;59;24
RUSS
the whole time. Mean, I'm just.

00;49;59;29 - 00;50;02;02
Speaker 5
I'm not going to stand like we.

00;50;02;07 - 00;50;11;07
JOSH
Are. We have all these other characters that are shades of the old. The elbow of that like, why are you so married to the depiction of this character that specific way? I just don't get it.

00;50;11;17 - 00;50;15;13
RUSS
I want him to put his helmet on and never take it off again at the end of the aliens.

00;50;17;15 - 00;50;18;03
Speaker 5
I don't.

00;50;18;09 - 00;50;26;22
RUSS
I don't have a lot of requests, but that's what I want. I want him to say like, that was not Boba Fett. I am Boba Fett and just and just go total apeshit.

00;50;26;22 - 00;50;30;13
JONNY
Like he was never like that. Even in the original trilogy, he was never, he never know.

00;50;30;13 - 00;50;35;12
JOSH
But he wasn't. The EU is Rusty's point, and Russell is a big fan of the use of you forever.

00;50;35;29 - 00;50;37;00
Speaker 5
You forever.

00;50;37;10 - 00;50;49;18
RUSS
We can almost predict the whole like a lot, a lot of a lot of what's about to happen next episode with like joining forces and who's coming in like, like, I imagine Luke Skywalker is going going down to tattoo in with Grogu, so it's going to be wild.

00;50;50;16 - 00;50;51;11
JOSH
I mean, I cool.

00;50;51;13 - 00;50;52;14
JONNY
Thing to go back home.

00;50;52;16 - 00;50;53;10
Speaker 5
Yeah, no. Well.

00;50;53;19 - 00;50;55;25
RUSS
There's a lot of reasons why it's why. Yeah, that's.

00;50;55;25 - 00;50;57;26
Speaker 5
one of them. Yeah. Oh, dude. And he could see.

00;50;57;26 - 00;51;00;15
JOSH
Fixer in camp, even though that scene was deleted. And I guess.

00;51;00;16 - 00;51;01;07
Speaker 5
That would be cool.

00;51;01;07 - 00;51;12;05
JOSH
But that would be fucking cool because in The Last Jedi novelization, I'm going way out talking in the Last Jedi novelization, Naz out. It starts out where he has a vision of how his life would have gone had he never left.

00;51;12;22 - 00;51;15;06
JOSH
Oh, and he imagines, Oh.

00;51;15;06 - 00;51;16;04
Speaker 5
That's sort of in the movie.

00;51;17;23 - 00;51;20;24
JOSH
And he imagines, Fuck him. And The Last Jedi is awesome, though.

00;51;21;14 - 00;51;21;23
Speaker 5
And he.

00;51;21;23 - 00;51;32;18
JOSH
Has. He has a vision. He's dreaming he would be a moisture farmer. He and cami and he would be living a quiet life and like, you know, blah blah blah. He muses, I wonder what they're up to or like, blah blah blah.

00;51;33;03 - 00;51;44;14
JOSH
So I know other. That scene wasn't in Star Wars, though it was in the novelization and the comics. So I mean, it's still and now the two characters are canonized on screen, so that would actually be kind of cool.

00;51;44;19 - 00;51;50;23
JOSH
That would be kind of cool if that was the whole reason why they had that cameo was set up, Luke and eating them again together.

00;51;50;24 - 00;51;51;07
Speaker 5
That could be.

00;51;51;07 - 00;52;07;22
MURRAY
Cool. This this episode was really, really cool. And my wife even said to them, like, it just felt like Star Wars. I felt like a universe that felt like a get like not just tied down to one place, but I do find like whereas they threaded the needle kind of like, good in this.

00;52;07;22 - 00;52;22;02
MURRAY
But if all of a sudden you're seeing every character you've ever seen in Star Wars coming up, I would just a little too winking at the camera and that it would drive me nuts like I. So I'm actually hoping that like, I mean, Luke's already established.

00;52;22;02 - 00;52;27;21
MURRAY
So if he goes back to tattooing, that's fine. But if you're bringing all these other people, I'm just going back. All right, I can stop like.

00;52;27;29 - 00;52;30;24
Speaker 5
Well, we don't need it's a whole X, which I.

00;52;30;25 - 00;52;32;27
JOSH
Think it's execution dependent. But yeah, yeah.

00;52;32;27 - 00;52;33;15
MURRAY
Yeah, probably. Yeah.

00;52;33;17 - 00;52;34;26
Speaker 5
Well, I mean, the marvel.

00;52;34;27 - 00;52;36;11
JONNY
And execution dependent to.

00;52;37;03 - 00;52;56;10
MURRAY
Yeah. But that's the thing is, I get it falls flat very often in Marvel movies, especially now you're just like, OK, all right. Yeah, yeah, OK. And so I don't want that to be the same thing. I know that's where all the money is now and the nostalgia grabs and like Avengers assemble type thing of every property

00;52;56;10 - 00;52;57;17
MURRAY
. But still, it just I know.

00;52;57;17 - 00;53;06;02
JOSH
That's an interesting parallel that actually never even occurred to me because I don't because I don't watch the Marvel stuff. But yeah, that actually lends credence to what Russ was saying, because that they.

00;53;06;04 - 00;53;11;28
RUSS
Want the team. Yeah, they want the team build up like, look at all these disparate people coming together, join forces to accomplish this one goal.

00;53;11;29 - 00;53;27;07
JOSH
So I do have to tell you, I wouldn't mind if Han Solo shows up because the new Boba Fett has to reckon, has to reckon with the person he was. And the best way to do that is to have Han Solo confront him, because the reason we think he's a bad guy is because he took down one

00;53;27;07 - 00;53;29;15
JOSH
of our heroes, right? So he was.

00;53;29;15 - 00;53;30;15
RUSS
Just doing his job.

00;53;30;15 - 00;53;41;27
MURRAY
Just like I feel like and this is again, this is a Marvel poll, but like, I feel I can't hold back. Oh, you son of a bitch, you in case me in carbonite and I feel like I don't even know who you are.

00;53;41;27 - 00;53;43;17
Speaker 5
Me like, I know you're.

00;53;43;17 - 00;53;45;00
MURRAY
Just like a job. Like, I don't.

00;53;45;00 - 00;53;46;16
Speaker 5
Even I mean, I don't.

00;53;46;16 - 00;53;58;03
JOSH
Happen, but I'm just saying it's for for the purposes of the audience. It makes sense. Those characters have a connection that has something to do with Boba Fett's character arc with his transformation Jon than Mickey or Mickey than.

00;53;58;05 - 00;54;00;02
JOSH
Jon, honestly, I don't remember. OK, Jon.

00;54;00;27 - 00;54;03;22
JONNY
There is so much that happened. Had to get a notepad and write down.

00;54;04;08 - 00;54;04;18
Speaker 5
Yeah.

00;54;06;01 - 00;54;22;06
JONNY
So to answer really quickly what you guys to go backwards to a couple of points. What you guys talking about the whole shared universe character thing. They only have one episode left, so I feel like it would be suicide for them to try and cram in Han Solo and Chewbacca.

00;54;23;07 - 00;54;25;13
JONNY
I can't. I can't do that. Well, that's the only.

00;54;25;16 - 00;54;31;13
JOSH
Part of that, though, is that's kind of what happened with the finale of Mando. They brought him to Walker. We never thought they would do that.

00;54;31;17 - 00;54;31;26
Speaker 5
But that's.

00;54;32;12 - 00;54;35;26
JONNY
Why they brought him one character. As Mary just said, They can't. They can't.

00;54;35;27 - 00;54;36;15
Speaker 5
All I'm saying.

00;54;36;23 - 00;54;37;17
JOSH
They're acting up.

00;54;38;20 - 00;54;54;09
JONNY
They can't do all of them. But I think I wouldn't be surprised if Luke shows up. I won't be surprised if Luke shows up because it's established. And I think if they go a step further, they'll be Kira saying that she's Crimson Dawn and she's in charge of everything or something.

00;54;54;15 - 00;55;07;02
JOSH
Possibly. I'll say to that, though, is that so far, the Book of Boba Fett hasn't pulled a move that's its own move. It's only brought things from Mandalorian. So we saw Luke again, we saw Mando again, we saw Grogu go again.

00;55;07;05 - 00;55;11;18
JONNY
Well, Martin had been and they brought in the character from the comic book New Barca and stuff.

00;55;11;22 - 00;55;13;10
JOSH
But I mean, like in O.T. Yeah.

00;55;14;00 - 00;55;15;14
JONNY
I mean, like, I don't know.

00;55;15;14 - 00;55;15;25
JOSH
I wouldn't.

00;55;15;25 - 00;55;25;05
JONNY
Be shocked. I mean, at the same time, if they do do it fine, but I kind of hope they don't. But at least like at least, I think that would happen. But I think that might happen like two seasons.

00;55;25;27 - 00;55;27;07
Speaker 5
I think I think it is weird.

00;55;27;14 - 00;55;33;21
JONNY
I think that might be like season five of The Mandalorian or something like that. But you know, before I go off, I don't think.

00;55;33;21 - 00;55;35;20
JOSH
They're waiting that long. I think it might happen next week.

00;55;36;01 - 00;55;59;07
JONNY
But I had two other points that I want to bring up before I. one was content and one was execution. Content wise, since we're talking about content, I mentioned this to you, Josh, after we had our podcast and I mentioned this to the other guys when we were still talking after we had our last podcast.

00;55;59;07 - 00;56;13;22
JONNY
But since it hasn't been aired, as I said, I do think that they are purposefully showing Boba Fett having a lot of flashbacks to his father's death to establish that he has a beef with the Jedi. And on top of that, he's still very traumatized by it.

00;56;14;05 - 00;56;32;28
JONNY
And given the connection between Mando and Grogu, you given there's a whole Darksaber thing, given that there's conflicts between all these characters. I do think there's going to come to a point where. Mando is going to have his life be in danger in front of grow grew or something like that, and Boba Fett either will be the

00;56;32;28 - 00;56;44;09
JONNY
person responsible for it, it will be witnessing it. And I think he's going to have a flashback to his own father's death because he's also, as as Russ pointed out to when we talked about it, he has almost the same exact armor as Jango Fett.

00;56;44;25 - 00;57;04;03
JONNY
So I feel like that's probably going to happen and Boba Fett is going to stop it. And whatever that's going to be, it's going to be awesome. But execution wise, the whole thing about the series is strange because somebody said this on another website, maybe this io9 or something like that, and they're like, I wonder if they

00;57;04;03 - 00;57;18;09
JONNY
just should have called the show The Avengers and Star Wars or something like that, because it's like it's kind of going on all over the place. And it's like, and if they just called it something that wasn't Boba Fett centric, they would have been okay with the way they're doing the story.

00;57;18;13 - 00;57;32;19
JONNY
But since they're like, This is the Boba Fett show, and for two episodes in the row, they don't give us Boba Fett. It's like, What are they doing? And it makes me wonder from the filmmaking perspective. Who do you think like I?

00;57;33;29 - 00;57;47;04
JONNY
I wonder how someone can take this entire season and edit it down to be more concise. Well, I wonder if there are going to be like like if I thought about this, like could this whole season just be a two hour movie?

00;57;47;20 - 00;57;48;06
MURRAY
You know, I.

00;57;48;15 - 00;57;50;11
JONNY
Because we really need to be like this long.

00;57;50;11 - 00;58;00;07
MURRAY
I want a standalone episode in like Mando season for like this whole season could be boiled down to one Boba Fett episode. Like how there was the Mando episode?

00;58;00;14 - 00;58;11;02
JONNY
And Josh, I think you're a fantastic editor and writer yourself, and I wonder if that would be like something that you even think would sensitively done your way. I'm not saying that the show is bad, but we love the show.

00;58;11;03 - 00;58;13;24
JONNY
Let's do it. Look how devoted we are to it. It's just a.

00;58;13;24 - 00;58;14;19
MURRAY
Show so bad.

00;58;14;22 - 00;58;17;09
Speaker 5
I'm fucking seething with rage.

00;58;17;15 - 00;58;27;11
JONNY
But no, I actually I am enjoying the show, but it's just like, it makes me wonder, like, could this whole show just be a Two-Hour movie?

00;58;27;19 - 00;58;28;16
RUSS
Should have been.

00;58;28;19 - 00;58;28;24
JONNY
Like.

00;58;28;26 - 00;58;29;15
RUSS
Should have been.

00;58;30;04 - 00;58;38;00
JONNY
Because I've seen movies with way more content that are very concise, like Trainspotting, that type 90 minute movie with a lot of fucking content.

00;58;38;11 - 00;58;38;27
Speaker 5
You know?

00;58;39;11 - 00;58;42;15
JONNY
Yeah, I wonder if both I can do the same thing with all of their content.

00;58;42;15 - 00;58;46;05
RUSS
Boba Fett should not have gotten his own show. I think there was a mistake, and I.

00;58;46;05 - 00;58;48;08
Speaker 5
Think what I'm saying, though? Well, that's.

00;58;48;08 - 00;58;57;26
JOSH
Kind of what I'm saying is that it's kind of not his own show. It's kind of like the wheels series to go off of what Mickey said before of the idea of a wheel show where it's a rotating cast of main characters and so on.

00;58;58;07 - 00;58;59;24
MURRAY
Clone Wars was like that a bit.

00;58;59;25 - 00;59;00;04
Speaker 5
Yeah.

00;59;00;17 - 00;59;05;03
RUSS
It would have worked if it were any other name, any other character would've been better.

00;59;05;07 - 00;59;06;11
Speaker 5
Or just don't call it.

00;59;06;18 - 00;59;08;20
JONNY
Don't call it a person's name show.

00;59;09;00 - 00;59;12;07
Speaker 5
It was a show that everyone wanted to call it like Star Wars, something out of.

00;59;12;07 - 00;59;13;10
MURRAY
The galaxies or something.

00;59;13;12 - 00;59;14;22
Speaker 5
But like we're talking about like the.

00;59;14;22 - 00;59;16;20
JOSH
Book of Boba Fett and, yeah, the book of.

00;59;16;23 - 00;59;18;05
JONNY
Going back to the biblical thing.

00;59;18;05 - 00;59;19;09
RUSS
But but it's his book.

00;59;19;11 - 00;59;22;11
Speaker 5
Tag Me in, I'm fucking right, Mary Poppins, though it is his book Know.

00;59;22;20 - 00;59;26;08
JOSH
We don't know from here. We don't know from here. It seems like to me, I.

00;59;26;08 - 00;59;29;25
RUSS
Wanted the Bounty Hunters journal book, I guess, or like Boba Fett's bounty journal.

00;59;30;06 - 00;59;32;09
MURRAY
Yeah, that's what I thought it was going to be. Yeah. That's what we.

00;59;32;09 - 00;59;33;00
RUSS
Thought it was.

00;59;33;00 - 00;59;35;05
MURRAY
Yeah, like his book collections or some shit.

00;59;36;00 - 00;59;42;03
RUSS
That's that's what I thought it was going to be like. Like Punisher War Journal, Boba Fett's bounty journal. Something of a symbol that way.

00;59;42;06 - 00;59;43;18
JOSH
OK, well, that's I mean.

00;59;44;19 - 00;59;45;18
Speaker 5
I can't just film it.

00;59;47;22 - 00;59;57;20
MURRAY
Also, because that's how it's like you see him taking over in a very like gangster way at the end of Mando. So and then it's the book about Fed. So that's what you think.

00;59;57;20 - 01;00;00;08
JONNY
But yeah, and he kills did Fortuna in cold blood when he does it.

01;00;00;25 - 01;00;05;04
MURRAY
His journals, like one Day The Rain Will Come and wash the trash off a tattoo.

01;00;06;01 - 01;00;08;05
Speaker 5
And I know.

01;00;08;13 - 01;00;11;06
MURRAY
Oh, he's just doing pull ups and holding his hands over like.

01;00;11;24 - 01;00;12;14
Speaker 5
Over a.

01;00;12;14 - 01;00;13;11
MURRAY
Lit light saber.

01;00;16;17 - 01;00;16;22
Speaker 5
And.

01;00;17;10 - 01;00;18;11
JONNY
Talking into a mirror.

01;00;18;22 - 01;00;20;21
Speaker 5
Yes, they're talking to me.

01;00;20;25 - 01;00;40;15
JOSH
The only thing I will say is that we don't know what the end game is, or we don't know how this fits into the larger. What non obnoxious word can I say, tapestry? I don't oeuvre. Like, we don't know where this fits yet, and I am content to just kind of see how it unfolds and let it

01;00;40;18 - 01;00;52;12
JOSH
do whatever it's going to do before I judge, you know, whether or not it should have been called something else. I get the impression a lot of people are not of that same mindset. So so it's.

01;00;53;14 - 01;00;53;23
Speaker 5
You know.

01;00;54;07 - 01;00;56;10
MURRAY
The whole time and then reassess based on judgment.

01;00;56;12 - 01;00;57;12
JOSH
No, no, no, no.

01;00;57;19 - 01;00;59;05
Speaker 5
I mean, you guys, I bet.

01;00;59;11 - 01;01;02;01
JONNY
Well, that's why I like I like Star Wars twittering about it. Now that they're.

01;01;02;01 - 01;01;02;14
JOSH
Worth up to.

01;01;02;14 - 01;01;17;08
JONNY
one episode, one episode left, and we're theorizing about this crazy finale that, like usually is a culmination of like 16 movies. And it's just like, I'm thinking about it. Like, I what is the what is the shape of this show?

01;01;17;08 - 01;01;28;24
JONNY
Why do they almost think about my intentions? Why did they call it this? Why did this format it like this? And like second to last episode? And I'm still wondering, like, why did they do anything? And then.

01;01;29;18 - 01;01;29;28
Speaker 5
There were.

01;01;29;28 - 01;01;45;12
JONNY
Many, but not necessarily. It's not necessarily in the way that I think it's a a bad move, but it's like, I can't believe I'm about to finish a season of a show and still like not have a basis foundation as to like why anything is occurring.

01;01;45;12 - 01;01;47;10
Speaker 5
But what's the story here is like the.

01;01;47;10 - 01;01;52;18
JONNY
Execution of it. Like, why is it being said in this way and why these priority possible?

01;01;52;18 - 01;02;04;22
JOSH
I mean, am I crazy? Like, I think it's pretty clear. I think it's just it's it's showing it's showing the transformation of Boba Fett's character. And I think it's it's it's depicting what he's about.

01;02;06;12 - 01;02;08;12
MURRAY
Exactly what to what. That's always my yeah.

01;02;08;13 - 01;02;08;20
RUSS
Yeah.

01;02;09;04 - 01;02;10;10
Speaker 5
From being a bounty hunter.

01;02;10;22 - 01;02;24;16
RUSS
Because Murray. Murray's been all about. They should have shown that that process and we only have hearsay. So like, oh, he's the worst ever. And we're only like, in the past, he was the worst, but we've only seen him as good as a victim of the Sarlacc.

01;02;24;21 - 01;02;40;22
RUSS
He he's been a victim this whole time and he's had a really rough go of it and he's just trying to get back on top. But we so we've never seen him in his. Crime, and they should have done a flashback with someone in the Boba Fett suit showing him in the past really to build up the

01;02;40;22 - 01;02;47;24
RUSS
character, but like he was real bad. That's that's a real, that's a real bad dude. But he did it for the money. It was his job. It wasn't personal.

01;02;48;18 - 01;02;49;17
JOSH
I guess what I'm saying.

01;02;49;17 - 01;02;50;11
RUSS
I'm an apologist.

01;02;51;07 - 01;02;56;01
JOSH
The well, no, I feel like I feel like I'm in the position of being an apologist that, oh no.

01;02;56;02 - 01;02;59;14
RUSS
I'm a fat apologist for what he's done. Like his crimes. You just jump.

01;02;59;20 - 01;03;04;03
JONNY
Yeah, it's an empire denier. Oh, the president happens when he's trying to say.

01;03;04;09 - 01;03;15;21
MICKEY
A couple of things to say. first of all, I like Jon being in the movie mindset. I think I think that's something I want to say, like we've been told about this and TV show and everything for a while and something I even want to say is movies are back and they're awesome.

01;03;16;00 - 01;03;25;00
MICKEY
Now, I think 2021 is going to go down as low key, one of the best movie years in a while and I see you watching. I think Malone.

01;03;25;00 - 01;03;25;17
JONNY
Did the Green.

01;03;25;17 - 01;03;42;14
MICKEY
Knight Dome dome, and this last year was still better than 99% of the things trying to be serious on TV last year. I think A24 laid down a nice groundwork for the last eight years and just created like this awesome movie scape of just fun, fun stuff, dumb stuff, crazy stuff that's just like to me now that

01;03;42;14 - 01;03;46;14
MICKEY
TV's kind of become turgid and like now movies are back to being fun.

01;03;46;27 - 01;03;49;10
Speaker 5
And how do you really feel when.

01;03;49;29 - 01;03;51;14
MURRAY
I have a rant that's going to go right.

01;03;51;14 - 01;03;52;14
Speaker 5
Up to that? Yeah.

01;03;52;23 - 01;04;01;00
MICKEY
Oh yeah. But but anyway, but I would say that Jon's point of not two hours, actually, even though movies are going too long, I actually think if there's going to be a spaghetti western, it's got to be three hours.

01;04;01;00 - 01;04;05;14
MICKEY
And then when you put on a TV, it's going to be like four and a half hours on TV commercials and you watch on Saturday.

01;04;05;14 - 01;04;05;25
Speaker 5
Morning.

01;04;06;05 - 01;04;07;12
JONNY
Across intermission.

01;04;07;18 - 01;04;08;24
Speaker 5
Which yeah. Yeah, which.

01;04;09;05 - 01;04;09;12
MICKEY
Is like.

01;04;09;12 - 01;04;13;04
JOSH
That's why I watch Spaghetti Western. Some of them are. Some of them are like 72 minutes.

01;04;13;12 - 01;04;16;27
MICKEY
That's true. Yeah, yeah. But but also that means I think we're leading up to an hour.

01;04;17;07 - 01;04;18;04
RUSS
That spaghetti bowl?

01;04;18;25 - 01;04;20;24
MICKEY
Yeah. Oh yeah. Like, if this is spaghetti.

01;04;20;25 - 01;04;21;10
Speaker 5
The regular.

01;04;21;13 - 01;04;23;11
MICKEY
Episodes should be awesome and should be like a.

01;04;23;12 - 01;04;24;17
MURRAY
Jellystone career.

01;04;25;00 - 01;04;30;26
MICKEY
You know, wild bunch, you know, type of like, Yeah, oh, shoot, I was clearly.

01;04;30;26 - 01;04;31;16
JONNY
What they're doing.

01;04;31;24 - 01;04;45;04
MICKEY
I would say I was, I predicted, and I was scared. I was gonna be wrong about the. What do you call it, the Rogue Rogue one? Because I'm like, that was clearly riffing on like those 19 like Sixties, World War two movies like Guns and Avarice and stuff like that.

01;04;45;13 - 01;04;56;18
MICKEY
And I'm like, if they were really going to, like, stick with that format and like and there was like, no way Disney is going to kill every character. And then they did. I'm like, That's awesome, because that's they were totally riffing on, you know?

01;04;56;28 - 01;05;06;08
MICKEY
I'm like the dirty dozen and guns never own, and that's what those movies did. And that's why that movie was also gets it stuck to his guns with that. So I'm kind of hoping, hoping we get a lot of deaths.

01;05;06;13 - 01;05;11;25
MICKEY
Maybe I think I think I think Marshal Givens lives next, but I think maybe more too.

01;05;11;26 - 01;05;13;15
MURRAY
Well, it's because men don't know he's.

01;05;13;15 - 01;05;14;19
Speaker 5
Going to stay in a room.

01;05;15;09 - 01;05;26;01
MICKEY
Marty Rooney cutting down guys as they're coming into him, you know, Alamo style or something like that. Okay? So so I got my fingers crossed, an awesome spaghetti western for for that. But how are you?

01;05;26;17 - 01;05;39;26
JONNY
I think this is a perfect opportunity to jump in and give some Kathleen Kennedy defense here because a lot of people scapegoat her for all this. They forget that she's been around since day one. She's done all the Indiana Jones movies and all that stuff.

01;05;39;26 - 01;05;53;18
JONNY
But like, well, I was going to say is, I think when they were making Rogue one, she was the one that said at first when she was like, Oh, they all have to die, right? Yes. And then like, yeah, so like, well, I'm trying to say is people give her a lot of shit and they shouldn't.

01;05;54;06 - 01;05;56;02
JOSH
I agree 100%. I think.

01;05;56;04 - 01;05;56;19
Speaker 5
Only.

01;05;57;00 - 01;06;01;07
JOSH
I think that anyone who says anything about Kathleen Kennedy on Twitter.

01;06;01;26 - 01;06;04;04
MURRAY
She is worse than polio.

01;06;04;29 - 01;06;07;13
Speaker 5
Yeah, you can question.

01;06;07;13 - 01;06;08;19
JONNY
Why they're saying those things.

01;06;08;25 - 01;06;09;24
JOSH
I agree with you.

01;06;10;04 - 01;06;24;10
MICKEY
I've been there, even if I really want to say this because it's a joke. But I'm serious. I'm actually now on the pro Boba Fett becoming good mindset based on one thing Jeff said earlier when he was saying that that that other bounty hunter was saying, he used to be a piece of shit.

01;06;24;25 - 01;06;33;08
MICKEY
And then I realized, I don't want to be the baby from. I think he should leave. I want to believe that Boba Fett can change. And so, you know, and I'm serious, I am.

01;06;33;08 - 01;06;35;01
Speaker 5
Now based on that.

01;06;35;29 - 01;06;40;10
MICKEY
Come around. I believe Boba Fett change and that he can be a good person.

01;06;42;08 - 01;06;42;29
Speaker 5
But do we need?

01;06;43;08 - 01;06;47;00
JONNY
He's no longer sitting in Kent and continues even his sloppy steaks, you know?

01;06;47;01 - 01;06;49;05
Speaker 5
Yeah, no. Well.

01;06;49;14 - 01;06;54;04
JOSH
I mean, the do we need that? The whole thing is, I want to say this in a very polite way. I don't mean this.

01;06;54;06 - 01;06;55;16
MURRAY
Don't even do it. Just go right.

01;06;55;17 - 01;07;04;20
JOSH
Yeah, I think all of your problems with this have to do with how wedded you are to the nineties expanded universe depiction of the character.

01;07;06;02 - 01;07;06;25
Speaker 5
Yeah. Well.

01;07;07;25 - 01;07;10;22
JONNY
Whether he put it he mind putting a ring around his finger.

01;07;11;07 - 01;07;13;00
JOSH
Right up there, understand what that means just.

01;07;13;02 - 01;07;14;03
MURRAY
Because he's married to it.

01;07;14;04 - 01;07;16;03
Speaker 5
He's married. Oh yeah.

01;07;16;20 - 01;07;21;09
JONNY
He will never give up on the EU, even though they left him for some other dude in Vegas. You understand.

01;07;21;11 - 01;07;22;18
Speaker 5
I ask you. I've been.

01;07;22;18 - 01;07;24;14
RUSS
Doing a lot of my work on my own at.

01;07;24;14 - 01;07;24;25
Speaker 5
Home.

01;07;26;04 - 01;07;30;23
JOSH
No, I'm sorry. It's just be slow on the uptake. I don't have a brain. I have a leaky bag of urine in my skull.

01;07;34;08 - 01;07;34;18
Speaker 5
That would.

01;07;34;18 - 01;07;35;08
RUSS
Be accurate.

01;07;35;25 - 01;07;41;16
JOSH
Yeah. No. I think it is accurate. Like I don't. Do you think that's true? And if so, that's fine. That's fine.

01;07;41;22 - 01;07;55;04
RUSS
This has been this has been the question for me that you've asked a few times. No, it's not. And it's not that because I got to be honest, I've only my Boba Fett opinions mostly come from the Dark Empire comics like above all else.

01;07;55;04 - 01;07;57;02
RUSS
And also he had his own Boba Fett series.

01;07;57;04 - 01;07;58;16
Speaker 5
Right? Yes. You know.

01;07;58;18 - 01;08;14;24
RUSS
Not so much. Yeah. Well, not so much. The novelizations as much more more of the comics, but but basically, I don't like you took the boba persona and applied him to other characters. That's fine. You should not have brought back Boba Fett.

01;08;15;03 - 01;08;31;13
RUSS
I made a bet that I lost with it with a coworker that they would never bring him back in 1,000,000 years. Because why would they at this point? And I lost that bet. And I had previously said that was because of Disney got greedy because, you know, that's another potential cash cow because they're playing on Fantasia.

01;08;31;13 - 01;08;43;12
RUSS
But they disappointed a lot of fans. And again, there was no real history written for a bubble of who he should be because he's only had a few lines in a movie and everything else has been canceled, so they get to to remake him however they wanted.

01;08;43;20 - 01;08;58;18
RUSS
What they did not do is really show us who he is before they want to change him, which is Murray's point, and I and I totally agree with that, which they made him a character like they made him a character where he is.

01;08;58;18 - 01;09;18;13
RUSS
He's changing who he is. Maybe he's having a change of of personal conviction about good, bad. What is evil, helping people? All. That's fine, but it doesn't. It doesn't fit. Uh, for for me what I thought the character should be not even thinking about what they've already done in in books and comics, just like we know him

01;09;18;13 - 01;09;19;10
RUSS
as a bounty hunter.

01;09;19;11 - 01;09;28;16
JOSH
We do know who he was. He's he's the guy that broke up the trio and stole Han Solo away from Leia. And he was a bad dude.

01;09;28;24 - 01;09;34;08
RUSS
He's a bad dude because he directly worked against the characters that we're following in the film. Yeah.

01;09;34;21 - 01;09;37;17
JOSH
No. It also he worked for Jabba the Hutt and like, he was a bad dude.

01;09;37;17 - 01;09;38;03
JONNY
Not people.

01;09;38;12 - 01;09;40;18
RUSS
He's just you just working. He's just making us.

01;09;40;18 - 01;09;41;26
MURRAY
He's misunderstood, guys.

01;09;42;02 - 01;09;56;29
JOSH
Yeah. And where was he? He was in some Clone Wars where we see him becoming a bounty hunter and deciding to do all that stuff. So my thing is that. So first of all, I think what we have seen of him in the quote unquote canon Star Wars are the OTT and whatever was in Clone Wars.

01;09;57;00 - 01;10;03;23
JOSH
I think that that's enough. But on top of that, I think they were also relying on the folk memory of who we all think he is.

01;10;03;28 - 01;10;06;09
Speaker 5
Yeah. And with that camp is.

01;10;06;19 - 01;10;07;13
JONNY
The elephant, too.

01;10;08;00 - 01;10;10;15
RUSS
It can't be discounted and it has been. No, but.

01;10;10;16 - 01;10;14;16
JOSH
I don't think it has. I think that they're using it to show a transformation like that's why.

01;10;14;17 - 01;10;28;06
RUSS
Yeah. But it's a transformation from our our memory of our opinion or memory to something that they want to make him to now. They never if they hadn't shown him on screen being the Boba Fett that we loved, those probably would have been my favorite parts.

01;10;29;03 - 01;10;37;29
RUSS
But they didn't show us that. They didn't flashback. They didn't build like he was bad. They're always saying he was bad. And based on what our collective memories are.

01;10;39;03 - 01;10;40;24
JOSH
You know, but we've also seen that he won.

01;10;41;03 - 01;10;55;05
MURRAY
Sold sorry and the one episode of Mando. He's ruthless when he fights that. What like that was something that was most jarring for me. Not like, of course, the preconceived notions that we have from the few lines in empire and stuff like that.

01;10;55;05 - 01;11;11;10
MURRAY
But there you see him when he makes his appearance in that episode of Mando. He's gnarly. He's like, So like, you're just like, Oh, fuck this guy nuts. And then all of a sudden comes back and he's like, He's like, Milk is like a sheep type thing.

01;11;11;10 - 01;11;31;15
MURRAY
Yeah, but like, it's sheep. I meant gentle. Not like, oh, like Four-Legged, Spock, but like the. But all of that also happens post Sarlacc Pit. So that's why I am struggling so much with this because they showed us that's what he's like.

01;11;31;15 - 01;11;41;05
MURRAY
So unless they do the bait and switch and that's who he is, or if that's how he is when he engages in, you know, like kind of like and punching gore, like he's such a man of principle that if he's.

01;11;41;07 - 01;11;49;08
MURRAY
Fighting there is no like rules there, like he just a his principles are no, this is the rules of engagement.

01;11;49;16 - 01;11;56;06
RUSS
There was an inciting incident, is what you're saying. There wasn't an inciting incident in your mind that changed him and we never got to see it.

01;11;56;23 - 01;11;58;03
Speaker 5
I guess I have to rewatch.

01;11;58;03 - 01;12;06;17
JOSH
That episode because like because like my impression was that like, he's just at the mercy of these people who rescued him, he needs them. He can't be in a position to like.

01;12;06;17 - 01;12;08;19
RUSS
He's a prisoner there. Yeah.

01;12;08;19 - 01;12;18;25
JOSH
So and also like when he comes out of the star, like he's at zero, he was left for dead. He was going to die and like, they're dragging him through the desert. He doesn't murder a kid because he would never do that because he was a kid.

01;12;19;00 - 01;12;20;13
Speaker 5
Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no.

01;12;20;13 - 01;12;25;29
JOSH
Like. So I just feel like when we meet him, he's at zero and you don't need to see.

01;12;26;15 - 01;12;26;18
Speaker 5
Don't.

01;12;27;18 - 01;12;45;13
JONNY
Where Mary Shannon sees that he went from, he went from that baseline to the same baseline kind of like he has. He hasn't had like a real he like. He gets to know that Huskins more, maybe. But he he has a person hasn't quite changed that much from beginning to.

01;12;45;13 - 01;12;49;03
Speaker 5
End compared to other people hired and covered in movies.

01;12;49;26 - 01;12;54;11
MURRAY
Like besides being tired and covered, in essence, something that when he gets out of.

01;12;54;29 - 01;12;56;25
JONNY
The sort of acid.

01;12;57;10 - 01;13;09;25
MURRAY
That too, you don't know what's going on in his with his mods, but when he gets out of the sonic pit like that, he has not changed. Like, we don't see that he was gruff and that changed him or anything.

01;13;10;01 - 01;13;19;02
MURRAY
So what he sees? I don't think matches up with what we saw him in Mando. What Mando takes place after he gets out of the storm because he has his armor?

01;13;19;04 - 01;13;22;23
JOSH
Yeah, yeah. But that's also after the tough skins were massacred. He's fucking pissed.

01;13;22;24 - 01;13;41;03
MURRAY
But that's like what's happened like? Everything that we every look for, lack of a better phrase, present day thing we see of him in this is post that Huskins being things like, Hey, I just want you. Yeah, if you want to put some coins in my helmet, I just want to say hi and let you know I'm

01;13;41;03 - 01;13;51;00
MURRAY
the new guy in the neighborhood and he's out of here, and I'll just give me a call if you need and like, so that's all. Post Tusken Raiders.

01;13;51;00 - 01;14;10;15
JONNY
Also, what I think what I think we're getting caught up on here is you're talking about the way that he does the fighting compared to the way he is as a person now, as we were just talking recently about a movie like nobody, you know, or if you think about Mad Max.

01;14;10;25 - 01;14;11;14
Speaker 5
Or.

01;14;11;23 - 01;14;24;07
JONNY
You think about that, what's that UFC movie with Tom Hardy and Warrior's ego stuff like that you think about like the crazy guy and the like you think about, like we know some people in our lives too who are like.

01;14;25;13 - 01;14;40;14
JONNY
On the person, the person there, there your man, they'll say, like they have the utmost respect, they'll be, they'll politely talk to your parents, but then like all of a sudden they realized that they're in a fight and they're the guys that will rip your eyeball out.

01;14;40;23 - 01;14;51;23
JONNY
And I feel like Boba Fett could be one of those guys where he's like, on a day to day, he's like, It's like, Hey, man, I have no problem with you. Whatever it bubble up. But then if push comes to shove, I'll put the bottle in your neck.

01;14;51;28 - 01;15;07;14
JONNY
And if you like and I feel like it's not exactly contradictory to show him being like honorable and respectful and polite and also being like a cold blooded brawler when he needs to because he just flicks the switch.

01;15;07;18 - 01;15;12;28
JONNY
Yeah, and he's like, I'm in fighting mode now, like a Green Beret, and he's like, Now I'm going to fucking Rambo.

01;15;12;29 - 01;15;28;26
MURRAY
What's up noble? Like, you go. So but it kind of makes sense, right? Because we love Mando and he's like, got that paternal thing and he's got a range of motion. But then he also just kills somebody in the last episode or ten years ago, just because it was too much of a hassle to take him in

01;15;28;26 - 01;15;45;18
MURRAY
alive. And he's like, Fuck it, I just need your head chopped off in half. Yeah, yep. And um, so maybe it is something along those lines of it's just like, No, what? Like, again, back to the sugar. It's like, no, like when I'm focused, like, whatever, you know, whatever this coin flip is, I'm adhering to it.

01;15;45;18 - 01;15;51;19
MURRAY
Like, That's my principle. So if it is just now part of the job, I don't care how the job gets done, it's getting done.

01;15;51;19 - 01;16;05;19
JONNY
And that could be The Mandalorian way. When you think about like the fighting over the Darksaber, like me, like like Big Big Guy was going to kill Mando, like he even says some sort of line. He's like, This is where your your path ends, and he looks like he's about to kill them.

01;16;05;19 - 01;16;16;17
JONNY
And then Mando takes it the knife and he fucks them up. And then like. And I think one of the reasons why Bo-Katan just doesn't accept the Darksaber when he's like, Fuck it, I yield. I don't care because he's like, No, we got to fight to the death over, you know, like.

01;16;16;24 - 01;16;30;10
JONNY
And I feel like there could just be like the way they're trained in their culture, so I can see why they're doing. That is the way and I can see why Mando and Boba would fight in a very similar way where it's like, No, we don't want to fight because if we fight, I'm going to have to

01;16;30;10 - 01;16;34;11
JONNY
either kill you or put you in the hospital. I can't just like push you away.

01;16;35;02 - 01;16;36;08
Speaker 5
The thing you know.

01;16;36;16 - 01;16;48;24
RUSS
But another thing that brings to mind is just to get back to the question of like, why I don't like this Boba Fett character, why I think it's not right. one of the things is like, Yeah, I'm going to take over a job as holdings.

01;16;49;03 - 01;16;50;03
RUSS
It's like why.

01;16;50;24 - 01;16;51;22
Speaker 5
He said it in that.

01;16;52;07 - 01;16;53;09
RUSS
He said, because because.

01;16;53;20 - 01;16;54;06
Speaker 5
You're working.

01;16;55;02 - 01;16;55;17
RUSS
Is that.

01;16;55;17 - 01;16;56;00
Speaker 5
He started.

01;16;56;00 - 01;16;56;28
JOSH
Working for idiots.

01;16;57;01 - 01;16;57;15
RUSS
All right.

01;16;57;17 - 01;16;57;25
Speaker 5
Yeah.

01;16;58;16 - 01;17;11;06
RUSS
All right. All right, Boba. That's cool. I guess. Like, but I don't care. I'm not invested in boba interest. And that's my problem. I don't care if I don't care if he gets jobs, holdings or if he wins.

01;17;11;14 - 01;17;24;11
RUSS
I really think there's going to be something else there for me to to be curious. I don't think it's interesting enough. That's me. That's my opinion. I think the show is fair and the show is good in pieces.

01;17;24;17 - 01;17;35;22
RUSS
There are things about that I like. I have a problem. There's not wearing a jumpsuit under his armor and I won't get over it because I because I don't think it looks right. The shoulder pads are underneath the flap of the shoulder of the shirt, and it's wrong.

01;17;35;22 - 01;17;36;13
JONNY
I think it's awesome.

01;17;37;11 - 01;17;38;27
RUSS
All right, that's fine. I just I.

01;17;38;27 - 01;17;39;02
Speaker 5
Mean.

01;17;39;23 - 01;17;50;26
RUSS
But like, I don't think it looks right. And I I think for me, I'm not I'm not invest in the character. He should have been a side, a side character that shows up like he doesn't. Mando should not have got his own show.

01;17;51;01 - 01;18;03;26
RUSS
I do think it was a misstep and Disney has made missteps with with their Star Wars projects. It's happened and I accept it like it will change. Evolve the Luke stuff was, you know, better than last time we saw him, so that was an improvement.

01;18;03;27 - 01;18;16;18
RUSS
Like, there are things that I, you know, I don't mind that are happening, but again, like it's like I look at Crystal Skull like, I'm not going to watch it anymore. Like, I'm not going to go back to some of the Star Wars stuff because I don't feel like it's as good as it could be is the

01;18;16;18 - 01;18;26;05
RUSS
best we're going to get. Sure, absolutely. So who would've done better? Who would suck as much money? So my a lot of my problems just are just rough opinions. No.

01;18;26;14 - 01;18;27;12
Speaker 5
I mean, that's totally fair.

01;18;27;21 - 01;18;30;26
JOSH
Look, I want to make it clear like, I'm not trying to pick on you. I hope it doesn't seem that way.

01;18;31;04 - 01;18;33;00
Speaker 5
It's always picking on me.

01;18;33;11 - 01;18;47;08
JOSH
No, no. My my. It's no. But you represent a viewpoint that I'm really curious about, and I feel like I can have a discussion with you to understand it a little more versus certain people on, let's say, Twitter that I don't want to get into it because you.

01;18;47;08 - 01;18;47;27
Speaker 5
Can't with that.

01;18;48;25 - 01;18;49;06
JOSH
Yeah.

01;18;49;06 - 01;19;05;28
JONNY
So, Russell, you just inspired me. Yes, I thought about yes, storytelling because for some reason you made me think of, Oh, because you're still hoping for him to, like, break bad and all these things. And a lot of you know, I was I was thinking about when I was watching the episode, I was actually consciously thinking to

01;19;05;28 - 01;19;10;03
JONNY
myself, a man does negotiating with Timothy Olyphant, who, by the way, Timothy Olyphant.

01;19;10;19 - 01;19;12;01
MURRAY
Oliphant, the fucking man.

01;19;12;01 - 01;19;16;20
Speaker 5
All the fox stole the fucking show he was. He was incredible.

01;19;16;27 - 01;19;18;07
JONNY
He thought of the entire show.

01;19;18;15 - 01;19;21;11
Speaker 5
I mean, you could be so wooden.

01;19;21;11 - 01;19;27;19
MURRAY
What's so awesome? Like, he's like, he's he's like a stiff piece of. Justified is incredible.

01;19;27;20 - 01;19;29;03
Speaker 5
I think they're doing.

01;19;29;03 - 01;19;33;09
JONNY
The fighting he's doing, he's working his his charisma to.

01;19;33;13 - 01;19;34;15
Speaker 5
He's so fine.

01;19;34;15 - 01;19;37;14
JONNY
Tuned instrument and the fact is what he's doing.

01;19;37;23 - 01;19;40;13
Speaker 5
But back, just like his character.

01;19;40;26 - 01;19;51;21
MURRAY
But his character, the fact that he literally is told what's in this container is worth more than your entire town, and he just dumps out the container because you're like fucking guys.

01;19;51;27 - 01;19;52;28
Speaker 5
And he looks at it with.

01;19;53;24 - 01;19;56;06
MURRAY
Like, you know, Corleone shit like, you know, love it.

01;19;56;21 - 01;20;01;07
Speaker 5
Yes, no, no, no. We do olive oil. You know, we do some gambling.

01;20;01;07 - 01;20;03;15
JONNY
They turn a blind eye. It's a terrible.

01;20;03;15 - 01;20;05;12
Speaker 5
Morally, it's almost it's a harmless.

01;20;05;12 - 01;20;22;17
JONNY
Dope. But anyway, we was going to say it was wild. Man was negotiating with the man I was thinking to myself. Does he even realize that he's trying to convince a bunch of innocent people to help his gangster friend rule criminal empire?

01;20;22;26 - 01;20;39;09
JONNY
And then I was thinking to myself, this kind of reminds me of Game of Thrones, and even the storytelling is kind of Game of Thrones for the last couple of episodes. Game of Thrones, you'll be following Jon Snow or Terry are Dany Targaryen, and then you'll just fucking leave him alone for like an episode of two, and

01;20;39;09 - 01;20;55;22
JONNY
then you'll jump back to them to see what they've been up to and similar in character. Dany Targaryen. If anyone who's ever watched Game of Thrones, they would know that she was the rightful queen of the Westeros because of her blood and dragons or whatever.

01;20;56;01 - 01;21;06;05
JONNY
But like, she never questioned why she should ever be queen. And the show kind of sets her up as like this hero? And then spoiler alert, by the way.

01;21;06;06 - 01;21;07;16
Speaker 5
I never off that way.

01;21;07;24 - 01;21;20;05
JONNY
And spoiler it, by the end, she fucking flips out and just kills everybody. And then if you really think about it over the whole show, if you're really astute, you like there times. Even when I was watching it, I'm like.

01;21;21;11 - 01;21;33;02
JONNY
Why are we like why is everyone so, so behind this person? Yeah, she says, I am queen, therefore, like, oh, she is queen, but like. And so the point is not to get down that path. I want to talk about Baba.

01;21;33;25 - 01;21;46;19
JONNY
Baba is like, Hey, I want to rule is criminal empire, and I need my friends to help out and like, Hey, man, you're a cool dude, I'll help you out and they're helping them out. And then like, no one's ever really thinking about the fact that, like, what the fuck are we doing?

01;21;46;29 - 01;21;48;12
Speaker 5
You know, like, because they're all.

01;21;48;12 - 01;21;49;15
JONNY
They're all bad guys.

01;21;49;15 - 01;21;54;12
Speaker 5
But in particular, it's like, it's like, this ties back to what he's this is not a.

01;21;54;12 - 01;21;57;02
JONNY
Complaint, though. I want to make sure this is not a complaint.

01;21;57;07 - 01;21;58;05
MURRAY
Complaining, Jon.

01;21;58;09 - 01;22;13;22
JONNY
This is this is not a complaint. This is just like I was making me think like. I'm not sure if everyone is quite aware of who exactly they're helping out and why they're helping them out, like Fenech owes Boba her life.

01;22;13;22 - 01;22;24;29
JONNY
So I get that and she's like, she basically has nothing else better to do as far as we know, because they haven't given that much backstory. But everyone else is like kind of business as usual, and it seems very business oriented.

01;22;25;04 - 01;22;44;08
JONNY
And now that Timothy Olyphant and Mando are involved. Morals are starting to seep into his his scheme. And that might come into conflict, especially if someone like Luke Skywalker comes back to tattooing with Grogu. And he's like, What the fuck are you doing hanging out with these gangsters trying to grow this criminal empire?

01;22;44;16 - 01;22;57;10
JONNY
So I feel like this is going to become a powder keg in a way that's beyond the pike. I think this is going to be a thing where it's like they really need to look into like what it is they're doing and why they're doing it as characters.

01;22;57;20 - 01;23;09;01
MURRAY
I was just going to say the reason with the Game of Thrones comparison is one year when people were complaining because it's like and then out of nowhere she turned or or did you just not pay attention for the entire series?

01;23;09;06 - 01;23;19;15
MURRAY
But also the reason why that works like you made that comparison. But like if Game of Thrones was called the Book of Ned Stark and it did that same thing, you'd be like, What the hell's going on here?

01;23;19;15 - 01;23;23;03
MURRAY
Like Ned's like, not in it. Like, hardly at all. You know, if I.

01;23;23;03 - 01;23;28;15
JOSH
Actually disagreed like that, that would make sense. Like him, dying started the whole story.

01;23;28;21 - 01;23;29;28
JONNY
The catalyst for the whole show.

01;23;30;22 - 01;23;33;16
MURRAY
Or if but I'm saying or like the fine, then the.

01;23;33;28 - 01;23;34;07
Speaker 5
The the.

01;23;35;20 - 01;23;41;19
MURRAY
The book of Jaime Lannister, right? Like, you're just going to be like, what is going on? There is what is going on exactly.

01;23;41;25 - 01;23;54;02
MICKEY
What Jon was saying about the about the what's her name from from Game of Thrones? I don't know how is going to tie. I was going to tie this in somehow. I basically was going to say, like, I actually appreciated that she did that and then what she had to say with like, I think he loved it

01;23;54;02 - 01;24;02;14
MICKEY
because it's like, Yeah, that's the American empire, you know, like where the good guy not only burned down a city and we're like, Yeah, we're good, right? And I'm kind of and I guess, although.

01;24;02;15 - 01;24;03;24
Speaker 5
We're still a huge.

01;24;04;10 - 01;24;04;28
MICKEY
To watch.

01;24;04;28 - 01;24;06;00
Speaker 5
Tim America, but the fact.

01;24;06;01 - 01;24;07;10
MICKEY
I want to hear what he has to say about it.

01;24;08;22 - 01;24;09;19
JOSH
I would I would.

01;24;09;27 - 01;24;10;27
Speaker 5
Eventually see.

01;24;11;12 - 01;24;12;22
MICKEY
He's he demand.

01;24;13;02 - 01;24;13;17
Speaker 5
Like then.

01;24;14;00 - 01;24;25;27
JOSH
He'd be like, Well, if Herzog's, I mean, it's definitely worth my time. That's true. Wrapping up, I think we're all really pretty excited or at least looking forward or at least curious about what's going to happen next week.

01;24;25;28 - 01;24;26;26
JOSH
I don't want hearing about it.

01;24;27;12 - 01;24;28;00
Speaker 5
Is for sure.

01;24;28;01 - 01;24;29;27
JOSH
Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited.

01;24;30;11 - 01;24;31;25
MURRAY
It's fun. I like it. Yeah.

01;24;31;27 - 01;24;42;11
JONNY
You know, it's something I said in multiple episodes, but like, I still don't know what they're going to do. I could surmise is going to be a climax. There's going to be a shootout. A battle is going to be like a powder keg moment.

01;24;42;19 - 01;24;53;16
JONNY
I don't know what that moment is going to be. I threw out a couple of ideas, but like, this show can really kind of go anywhere, and there is a level of excitement of just not knowing where exactly it's going.

01;24;53;23 - 01;24;56;29
MURRAY
I mean, season season finale of Mando was incredible, so.

01;24;57;03 - 01;25;01;29
JOSH
I wouldn't say we don't know where it's going to go. We know that there is going to be a showdown. We just we just don't.

01;25;02;00 - 01;25;03;17
Speaker 5
Yeah, but we don't usually.

01;25;03;17 - 01;25;04;17
JONNY
Like like when.

01;25;04;20 - 01;25;09;07
Speaker 5
Our writers load up. Yeah. Well, like, yeah, when they go on, that's Charles.

01;25;09;07 - 01;25;10;14
MURRAY
The Untouchables scene.

01;25;10;20 - 01;25;22;20
JONNY
Like in any other Star Wars movie, when they go to blow up the Death Star or when the Lord of the Rings, when the fellowship goes to the Black Gate, we know it's going to happen. We know that, like all these guys are going to fight these guys and and, you know, blah blah blah.

01;25;22;22 - 01;25;24;15
Speaker 5
Yeah, but in any spaghetti western.

01;25;24;16 - 01;25;28;08
JOSH
Yeah, but any spaghetti western, you don't necessarily know who's going to come out on top.

01;25;28;16 - 01;25;35;04
JONNY
That's what I'm saying. Like, you don't like we don't like, I don't know, like what you guys are going to die, which you guys are going to betray other good guys.

01;25;35;08 - 01;25;35;18
Speaker 5
Yeah.

01;25;35;29 - 01;25;41;14
JONNY
What? Like what? Left Turns is going to take. And that's why I'm saying it's like, I honestly just don't know where it's going to go because.

01;25;42;04 - 01;25;46;11
RUSS
Boba Fett is going to die and Fennec Shand is going to take over the syndicate.

01;25;46;29 - 01;25;47;10
MURRAY
The Book.

01;25;47;10 - 01;25;50;10
Speaker 5
Of Sin. Yeah.

01;25;50;28 - 01;25;56;20
RUSS
Yeah. I think she's going to be the new crime lord on tattooing and just erase Boba Fett.

01;25;57;10 - 01;26;10;22
MURRAY
I don't think he'll of Boba Fett after this season as well. I believe in your point of view, but like, no, they could. But then it's like, literally, why? Like, what was the point to bring him now they are like.

01;26;10;27 - 01;26;11;09
MURRAY
But like.

01;26;11;16 - 01;26;12;26
Speaker 5
Yeah, but nothing happened.

01;26;12;26 - 01;26;17;17
MURRAY
With him. Like, Why would you just bring him out just to kill him? That makes zero sense.

01;26;17;18 - 01;26;32;02
RUSS
I have a super important point that this just remind me one of the factors of Star Wars that we often don't talk about is how hard life is in the Star Wars universe. Like, like at any point, it's kind of like the Old West who are any any point where someone at any point someone could shoot you

01;26;32;02 - 01;26;44;24
RUSS
, take your money and take your stuff like you have no defense. There's very little lore, especially like Post Empire. Like, sure, there's some. There's some like X-Wing police out in the the atmosphere, you know, outside the outer ring of the planet.

01;26;44;24 - 01;26;58;19
RUSS
But like, there's really not much lore going on, is you at any time you can be killed or harmed or have your possessions taken from you? So let me in the Star Wars universe like young Boba Fett without without his father.

01;26;58;19 - 01;27;10;09
RUSS
Like, maybe, you know, he hops in the ship and maybe goes back to him. You know, and maybe some support there, but like it's probably hard for him growing up and he grew some real, real tough skin. The same applies to pretty much anyone.

01;27;10;09 - 01;27;25;17
RUSS
The Star Wars universe is kind of on their own. The Gunslinger He didn't have a good ending. Amanda episode It's not easy to live in the Star Wars universe, so I feel like whatever happens, I think we forget that like people shouldn't live as long as they do in Star Wars, and we should expect that more people

01;27;25;17 - 01;27;40;16
RUSS
should die. I don't know if that's on like the bulletin board at The Mandalorian Book of Boba Fett office, if it's on Filoni bulletin board. But like people should be dying more often more regularly and you should be like, You shouldn't we take for granted that characters are going to be there in the next episode?

01;27;41;03 - 01;27;42;10
RUSS
We haven't seen a lot of deaths.

01;27;42;14 - 01;27;55;22
MURRAY
True. Yeah, yeah, true. But like also, I just like, I'm all for it. But I think Game of Thrones did this thing where people want like, Oh, who's going to live? Who's going to like, never kill off a character just for the sake of killing off a character.

01;27;55;22 - 01;27;59;18
MURRAY
If it has no point, then don't do it, because otherwise it's just shock value.

01;27;59;18 - 01;28;00;12
RUSS
And we.

01;28;00;15 - 01;28;01;00
MURRAY
Seen that.

01;28;01;00 - 01;28;03;14
Speaker 5
There wasn't anybody like she had, but.

01;28;03;14 - 01;28;06;14
MURRAY
That actually had only had a point. You're just huge plot point.

01;28;07;16 - 01;28;13;18
JOSH
Yeah, I think what Murray is saying is that people who watched it are mistaking the shock. The yeah, yeah.

01;28;13;19 - 01;28;26;08
MURRAY
Yeah, it's like, Oh, it's you know, it's if there's no reason for if there's no reason for anybody to to die, except for the fact that like, Oh man, it's such a happy ending. And that sucks. Well, then that's a happy ending, and it sucks.

01;28;26;08 - 01;28;34;17
MURRAY
Like, that's what Spielberg does. Like, I don't know what to tell you. Like, if there's no reason to kill off a character, don't kill it. Like, don't do it. Like, it just doesn't make any sense.

01;28;34;17 - 01;28;44;13
JONNY
It's like when I think there's a scene and one of the Zack Snyder movies where Lois Lane is like abroad, and she's with another reporter and he gets executed. And I think.

01;28;44;24 - 01;28;47;10
RUSS
I think I think like, kill Jimmy Olsen.

01;28;47;18 - 01;28;56;01
JONNY
That's what is going to say. Zack Snyder is like, Oh, yeah, that character. He was actually supposed to be Jimmy Olsen or something like that. And to Mary's point, it's like, why?

01;28;56;06 - 01;28;59;14
Speaker 5
Well, you know, like just to shock people who don't know, Oh, Jimmy's.

01;28;59;14 - 01;29;02;29
JONNY
Dead, anyone can die. But I mean, you know, it's like that type of thing.

01;29;02;29 - 01;29;06;14
RUSS
But yeah, that felt that filmmakers of a different quality.

01;29;06;15 - 01;29;07;25
Speaker 5
Well, we will go.

01;29;08;23 - 01;29;22;10
JONNY
Yeah, it's a whole other thing to just go into other universes and all that. But but I think if they're going to do something, I think Star Wars actually does it pretty well with like. And it's usually character one dies is very distinct.

01;29;22;10 - 01;29;26;21
RUSS
That's what it said right away. I was thinking of shock value. Like, I understand that there's a point.

01;29;26;25 - 01;29;27;04
JOSH
Yeah, yeah.

01;29;27;04 - 01;29;42;19
RUSS
I was thinking like, like, I hadn't read the books. So for me, like that was the emotion. I was also hit watching that show, but that was too much. That was a shocking thing I had seen, probably almost ever on TV of the sense of the volume of death and destruction.

01;29;43;20 - 01;29;55;09
RUSS
And so, so I'm thing in strictly on shock value, not unlike story or a purpose like this. It's not like this should have been more shocking death. I think, you know, we knew that that guy way back, you know, and.

01;29;55;09 - 01;29;56;02
Speaker 5
Like it.

01;29;57;25 - 01;30;02;19
RUSS
Now just is done dead, lost the world and no real recourse and no no funeral and just said.

01;30;03;14 - 01;30;04;00
Speaker 5
Oh.

01;30;05;25 - 01;30;10;09
RUSS
I wanted to burp or a belch like going out like a last gasp or a tendril.

01;30;10;10 - 01;30;10;20
Speaker 5
You know.

01;30;10;25 - 01;30;14;00
JOSH
You. You want George Lucas's kookiness.

01;30;14;07 - 01;30;15;16
Speaker 5
Yeah, I think.

01;30;15;28 - 01;30;16;17
RUSS
I do.

01;30;16;24 - 01;30;22;08
JOSH
Because of George Lucas were directing this. He definitely would have had a death belt.

01;30;22;21 - 01;30;23;21
Speaker 5
Yeah, absolutely.

01;30;24;06 - 01;30;25;21
MURRAY
And then somebody came in.

01;30;26;05 - 01;30;29;23
Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah, well, yeah.

01;30;30;18 - 01;30;33;00
MURRAY
Then there would have been a song and dance number for some reason.

01;30;33;17 - 01;30;37;27
JONNY
That that reminds me when I was watching the end of Return of the Jedi. Vader has that. No, no.

01;30;37;28 - 01;30;38;26
Speaker 5
Moment. Yes.

01;30;38;27 - 01;30;45;07
JONNY
And after after watching it for whatever time. But I was watching, I was like, I guess that's.

01;30;45;07 - 01;30;46;22
Speaker 5
Fine, you know, like.

01;30;46;25 - 01;30;48;27
JONNY
I just don't care anymore about.

01;30;48;27 - 01;30;51;08
Speaker 5
That. That went well. Well, well, the thing about.

01;30;51;08 - 01;30;52;15
JONNY
It, it's like, I guess it's fine.

01;30;53;01 - 01;31;10;03
JOSH
I don't want to get off on a tangent, do with a quote, Dennis Miller, who I don't like anymore. But the thing that I admitted a whole bunch of episodes ago where Vader's know in Revenge of the Sith really never bothered me until I realized how much it really bothered other people.

01;31;10;03 - 01;31;19;19
JOSH
And then now I can't unsee it. But if you accept that moment as a genuine moment, then the no. That, he added, to return to the Jedi really resonates.

01;31;19;29 - 01;31;21;13
JONNY
As a full circle thing. Yeah.

01;31;21;18 - 01;31;32;26
JOSH
And for George Lucas, obviously, he believes in the truth of both of those moments. Yes. And so if it works for you on that level, then it's actually really appropriate. Is all about.

01;31;32;26 - 01;31;43;17
JONNY
That. What I what I will always say, because it's always execution, execution, execution, and I feel like that's one of those moments where the execution of it originally was perfect that didn't have to do anything and then.

01;31;43;28 - 01;31;45;25
Speaker 5
And then put in the no.

01;31;45;25 - 01;31;53;18
JONNY
No. And there was like, I just want people to make sure they really know the intention as to why Darth Vader is doing this is like we know like we.

01;31;54;06 - 01;31;54;22
Speaker 5
Well, that was.

01;31;55;02 - 01;32;00;17
JONNY
It's like spelling it out to the audience. It's like, we kind of got it when he picked him up and threw him into a fucking pit.

01;32;02;01 - 01;32;15;27
MURRAY
So in that scene was so crazy about that scene, and even though like Jodie's not, you know, the best one, but like they they gave, they managed to have when loose getting zapped right and it keeps coming to Vader.

01;32;15;27 - 01;32;23;08
MURRAY
Like, there's emotion. You're seeing emotion from Vader. And it's literally just the same helmet that you've always been seeing when.

01;32;23;08 - 01;32;26;11
JONNY
You're projecting the gears, turning in his head as it's happening.

01;32;26;14 - 01;32;27;09
Speaker 5
To the music.

01;32;27;09 - 01;32;28;23
MURRAY
And the way it's shot and the.

01;32;28;25 - 01;32;29;07
Speaker 5
Magic.

01;32;29;07 - 01;32;30;15
JOSH
Of it's the magic of filmmaking.

01;32;30;15 - 01;32;33;00
Speaker 5
Baby. I think it's a movie. It's the magic of movies.

01;32;33;00 - 01;32;38;08
JOSH
There's something that happens between the screen and the mind of the viewer, and that's where the magic happens.

01;32;38;11 - 01;32;40;01
Speaker 5
And so that agreement? Yeah.

01;32;40;16 - 01;32;53;15
JOSH
one last thing I do want to note before we sign off is that my sister and her husband got me a very lovely gift to mark the launch of the podcast. It's actually a sliver of the skeleton from the dragon.

01;32;53;16 - 01;32;54;10
Speaker 5
Oh shit.

01;32;54;26 - 01;33;17;10
JOSH
Yeah, it's like a very it's a very tiny sliver, and I just wanted to say thank you. I really appreciate that. And note that that prop was the skeleton of a dinosaur from the 1975 Disney comedy one of Our Dinosaurs is missing and was was thrown on the plane of props flying to Tunisia because it was laying

01;33;17;10 - 01;33;19;23
JOSH
around, and they thought it might give him some more production value.

01;33;20;03 - 01;33;20;25
Speaker 5
And using.

01;33;21;09 - 01;33;23;12
JOSH
Disney Connection has been there since the beginning.

01;33;25;03 - 01;33;29;07
JONNY
I love it. Well, hey, star tours, man. I mean, they've always had a close relationship.

01;33;30;21 - 01;33;35;09
JOSH
All right, everybody. The melee, the showdown, the final battle next week.

01;33;35;21 - 01;33;38;10
MURRAY
Just think of how much we're going to have a melee here.

01;33;39;15 - 01;33;42;16
JOSH
Yeah. Now we're going to have to have like a three hour, three hour special is going to be.

01;33;42;16 - 01;33;43;24
MURRAY
A lot looking at you, Ross.

01;33;44;09 - 01;33;45;28
RUSS
I got my I got my brass knuckles.

01;33;47;15 - 01;33;51;03
JOSH
All right, everyone. I still haven't figured out a sign off for this yet. So goodbye, everybody.

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